第一次听到后一天就情绪激动警官的证词带来了1月6日。国会大厦袭击再次成为全国关注的焦点,调查这起袭击事件的众议院特别委员会将于本周召开会议,讨论可能的下一步措施,包括发出传票。
“我毫不犹豫地发出信息传票,”D小姐,本尼·汤普森主席。,告知MSNBC的《早安乔》周三上午,断言委员会“绝对”拥有权力。"在这次调查中,没有什么是不允许的。"
他的评论是在司法部之后发表的用字母表示根据美国广播公司新闻周二审查的消息来源和信件,向前DOJ官员和向国会委员会提供了他们可以参与与1月6日有关的调查,众议院监督委员会后来证实了这一点。因此,如果证人试图对抗传票,他们可能不得不自己掏腰包。
“国会议员已经承认,他们在谈判进行的同时与白宫进行了交谈。现在,他们中的许多人正试图回到他们曾经的对话中,”汤普森说。“我们计划追求它。”
该委员会成员、共和党众议员利兹·切尼告诉美国广播公司新闻记者乔治·斯特凡诺普洛斯委员会没有排除俄亥俄州共和党众议员吉姆·乔丹(Jim Jordan)作证,她批评了该委员会,并因发表她认为会损害其可信度的言论而被众议院议长佩洛西否决。
乔丹在周二晚上承认,他和共和党领袖凯文·麦卡锡一样,与前总统交谈过唐纳德·特朗普在1月6日的电话中,在另一个采访周三,俄亥俄州频谱新闻记者泰勒·波皮阿拉兹证实,他于1月6日与特朗普进行了交谈。
当被Popielarz问及他是否在袭击之前、之中或之后与特朗普通话时,乔丹说他不记得了。
“那天我和他谈过了。之后?我想之后。我不知道早上有没有和他说过话。我只是不知道,”他说。“我不知道那些对话是什么时候。”
福克斯新闻频道主持人布雷特·拜尔也压制乔丹周二,关于他那天是否和特朗普谈过话,乔丹一再偏转,说他“和前总统谈了无数次——成千上万次。”
拜尔接着说,“但我指的是1月6日,议员。”
“是的,”乔丹说。“我的意思是,我已经和总统谈过很多次了——我不记得我和他谈过的所有日子,但我肯定和总统谈过。”
特朗普轨道上的对话,如与乔丹的明显通话,是委员会寻求调查的关键,切尼周二表示,美国人应该知道发生了什么,“那天在白宫的每一分钟都发生了什么。”
众议院议长南希·佩洛西肯定了这一点委员会的传唤权在她在国会山举行的每周新闻发布会上,但她与委员会本身保持距离,因为众议院共和党领导人贬低加入该小组的两名共和党成员为“佩洛西共和党人。”
当被问及如果众议院议员不遵守传票会发生什么时,佩洛西强调,她没有参与特别委员会,“没有参与任何这些决定,所以我不能告诉你他们可能会做出什么决定。”
这位发言人还打消了人们的担忧,即如果委员会的工作拖拖拉拉或失去势头,将会出现政治反弹,并被问及她是否希望看到委员会更快地采取行动。
“他们会花他们需要的时间,”她说。“我们很晚才做到这一点,因为我们正在争取两党委员会,我们认为这是非常可能的。”
尽管议员们即将休会七周,汤普森周三表示,该委员会将于本周再次开会讨论下一步措施。
他告诉MSNBC:“我们将在8月休会前开会,但实际上,我想你知道我们会在休会期间回来做我们的工作,因为我们必须把事情搞清楚。”。“我们的民主有赖于此。”
在第一次听证会上,委员会听取了四名官员的陈述担心他们的生命1月6日,他们遭到支持特朗普的暴徒的残酷殴打,人数超过了他们。一名军官描述说,他担心自己会被“撕成碎片”,并高喊“用自己的枪杀死他”。另一个人说,他职业生涯中第一次被人嘲笑穿制服的种族歧视。
他们都批评那些淡化这次袭击并恳求专家组揭露当权者是否帮助和教唆暴乱者,包括前总统。
“1月6日发生了一起袭击事件,是一名杀手派他们来的,”国会大厦警察哈里·邓恩说。“我希望你弄清楚这件事。”
在右倾的有线电视新闻主持人抨击这些证词具有表演性后,民主党人已经开始为这些官员辩护。
“愚蠢没有用。它可以去任何地方。很不幸的是,人们会把那些捍卫国会大厦的勇敢的人解释为在他们的陈述中不知何故是不真诚的,”汤普森周三说。
共和党领导人驳回听证会
当国会大厦的警察在遭到袭击的大楼走廊上通过电视和电话观看听证会时,阻碍当天调查工作的共和党领导人将听证会斥之为政治游戏,并表示他们没有观看。
参议院共和党人米奇·麦康奈尔袭击后说“暴徒被灌输谎言”和“被总统和其他有权有势的人激怒”,他说他在听证会期间“忙于工作”。
他说:“我看不出我能比那次更坦率地表达自己,我对我所说的一切都表示赞同。”。
麦卡锡在听证会前在国会大厦外举行了一场活动,作为对警察证词的先发制人打击,他告诉记者政治记者他不能,因为他被困在“背靠背的会议。”
值得注意的是,麦卡锡暗示佩洛西当天没有做足够的工作来确保国会大厦的安全,但作为参议院领袖的麦康奈尔没有面临同样的批评。国会大厦的安保由国会警察委员会控制。
蒙大拿州的共和党众议员马修·罗森戴尔(Matthew Rosendale)告诉美国广播公司新闻,他只看了切尼的开幕词,切尼在1月6日批评特朗普的角色后,于今年早些时候被罢免为众议院第三号共和党人。
“我很失望,”他说,然后开始回答一系列他想回答的问题。
但由于共和党人放弃了参与听证会的能力,麦卡锡撤回了所有成员,他们无法将讨论引向自己喜欢的方向。
加州民主党众议员皮特·阿吉拉尔是该委员会的成员,他向美国广播公司新闻抨击共和党人选择不这样做收到军官的来信帮助保护他们的人。
他说:“对凯文·麦卡锡和我来自蒙大拿州的同事来说,只是说‘哦,我没有时间看这场听证会’,你知道,这是不幸和悲伤的,他们只是想用这个来玩政治。“这就是全部。”
阿吉拉尔补充说,公众可以期待更多的公开听证会,尽管委员会下一次听证会的日期尚未宣布。
Jan. 6 select committee to meet on next steps, move on subpoenas
A day after its first hearing with emotionaltestimony from police officersbrought theJan 6. Capitol attackback into the national spotlight, the House select committee investigating the assault will meet this week on possible next steps, including issuing subpoenas.
"I have no reluctance whatsoever in issuing subpoenas for information," Chairman Bennie Thompson, D-Miss., toldMSNBC's "Morning Joe"Wednesday morning, asserting the committee "absolutely" has the authority. "Nothing is off limits in this investigation."
His comment comes after the Department of Justicesaid in lettersto former DOJ officials and provided to congressional committees that they can participate in investigations related to Jan. 6, according to sources and letters reviewed by ABC News Tuesday, which the House Oversight Committee later confirmed. Therefore, if witnesses try to fight subpoenas, they may have to do so on their own dime.
"Members of Congress have already admitted that they talked to the White House while it was going on. Now many of them are trying to walk back the conversation they had," Thompson said. "We plan to pursue it."
Rep. Liz Cheney, R-Wyo., who sits on the committee, told ABC News' George Stephanopoulos that thecommittee had not ruled outcalling Rep. Jim Jordan, R-Ohio, who has criticized the committee and was vetoed from it by House Speaker Pelosi over comments she said would damage its credibility, to testify.
Jordan admitted on Tuesday evening that he -- like GOP Leader Kevin McCarthy -- spoke to former PresidentDonald Trumpon the phone on Jan. 6, and in anotherinterviewWednesday with Ohio Spectrum News reporter Taylor Popielarz, confirmed he spoke to Trump on Jan. 6.
Asked by Popielarz if he spoke to Trump before during or after the attack, Jordan said he didn’t remember.
“I spoke with him that day. After? I think after. I don't know if I spoke with him in the morning or not. I just don't know,” he said. “I don't know when those conversations."
Fox News host Brett Baier alsopressed JordanTuesday on whether he spoke to Trump that day, and Jordan repeatedly deflected, saying he's "talked to the former president umpteen times -- thousands, countless times."
Baier followed up, "But I mean on January 6, congressman."
"Yes," Jordan said. "I mean, I've talked to the president so many -- I can't remember all the days I've talked to him, but I've certainly talked to the president."
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Conversations in Trump's orbit, such as the apparent call with Jordan, are key to what the committee is seeking to investigate, with Cheney saying Tuesday that Americans should know what happened "what happened every minute of that day in the White House."
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi affirmed thecommittee's subpoena powerin her weekly news conference on Capitol Hill, but distanced herself from the committee itself as House Republican leaders disparaged the two GOP members who joined the panel as "Pelosi Republicans."
When asked what will happen if House members don't comply with subpoenas, Pelosi emphasized she is not involved with the select committee and "has not been a party to any of those decisions, so I cannot tell you what they might decide."
The speaker also dismissed concerns that there will be political backlash if the committee's work drags out or loses momentum, asked if she would like to see the committee move more expeditiously.
"They will take the time that they need," she said. "We were very late in getting to this because we were striving for the bipartisan commission, which we thought was very possible."
While lawmakers have a seven-week recess coming up, Thompson said Wednesday that the committee will meet again to discuss its next steps this week.
"We'll have a meeting before we break for the August recess, but in reality, I think you know we'll be back during that recess doing our work because we have to get to the bottom of it," he told MSNBC. "Our democracy depends on it."
At its first hearing, the committee heard from four officers who recounted theyfeared for their liveson Jan. 6 as they were brutally beaten and outnumbered by a pro-Trump mob. One officer described fearing he would be "torn apart" and chants of "kill him with his own gun." Another said he was taunted with racial slurs in uniform for the first time in his career.
They all criticized lawmakers who havedownplayed the attackand pleaded with the panel to uncover if those in power aided and abetted rioters, including the former president.
"There was an attack on Jan. 6, and a hit man sent them," said Capitol Police officer Harry Dunn. "I want you to get to the bottom of that."
Democrats are already coming to the defense of the officers after right-leaning cable news hosts attacked the testimonies as performative Tuesday night.
"Stupidity has no reach. It can go anywhere. It's unfortunate that people would interpret the brave people who defended the Capitol as somehow disingenuous in their presentations," Thompson said Wednesday.
Republicans leaders dismiss hearing
While Capitol police officers watched the hearing on TVs and phones in the hallways of the building that was attacked, Republican leaders who blocked efforts to investigate the day dismissed the hearing as a political play and said they didn't watch.
Senate GOP Mitch McConnell, whosaid after the attackthat the "mob was fed lies" and "provoked by the president and other powerful people," said he was "busy doing work" during the hearing.
"I don't see how I could have expressed myself more forthrightly than I did on that occasion, and I stand by everything I said," he said.
McCarthy, who held an event outside the Capitol ahead of the hearing as a preemptive strike to the officers' testimony, told aPolitico reporterhe wasn't able to because he was stuck in "back-to-back meetings."
Notably, McCarthy has suggested Pelosi didn't do enough to secure the Capitol that day, but McConnell, as leader of the Senate, has not faced the same criticism.Security at the Capitolis controlled by the Capitol Police Board.
GOP Rep. Matthew Rosendale of Montana told ABC News he only watched the opening statement from Cheney, who was ousted as the No. 3 House Republican earlier this year following her criticism of Trump's role on Jan. 6.
"I was quite disappointed," he said, before launching into a series of questions he wanted to be answered.
But because Republicans gave up their ability to participate in the hearing, with McCarthy withdrawing all of his members, they couldn't lead the discussion in their preferred direction.
Rep. Pete Aguilar, D-Calif, who sits on the committee, blasted Republicans to ABC News who chose not tohear from the officerswho helped protect them.
"For Kevin McCarthy and for my colleague from Montana to just say, 'Oh I didn't have the time to watch this hearing,' you know, is just unfortunate and sad, and they just want to play politics with this," he said. "That's all this is."
Aguilar added the public can expect more public hearings to come, though the date for the committee's next hearing has not yet been announced.