加州民主党州长加文·纽瑟姆表示，他对唐纳德·特朗普总统及其亲密盟友关于可能在2028年寻求第三个任期的言论“深感关切”。
美国广播公司驻华盛顿首席记者乔纳森·卡尔(Jonathan Karl)问被认为是2028年总统候选人的纽瑟姆，他是否认真对待这种言论。
“他们没有乱来，”纽瑟姆说。
特朗普几次考虑再次竞选总统，包括最近在周一，他在空军一号上告诉记者，尽管宪法禁止，他还是“愿意这样做”。
第22修正案明确禁止总统当选两次以上。
上周，前特朗普白宫顾问、保守派媒体煽动者史蒂夫·班农在接受采访时说《经济学人》“有一个计划”，特朗普“将获得第三个任期”，尽管他没有透露任何细节。
这是纽瑟姆和卡尔在周三播出的采访中的交流文字稿，纽瑟姆在采访中谈到了他与特朗普2月份在椭圆形办公室的会面。
卡尔:“班农正在谈论特朗普2028年再次竞选，你说特朗普正在谈论他的第四个任期?”
纽瑟姆:“他给我看了一张照片——我转过身，他在Resolute[办公桌]前，他说，‘看那边。’我就像，我真的看了又看他。我说，‘好吧。’我说，“第三任期?”他说，“不，第四个。”墙上挂的是罗斯福的画。我想，我们走吧。我说，‘我们是完美的小绵羊，不是吗?他在笑，因为我们在笑。他很清楚我们要做什么。有一首法国诗，我不知道是什么，我不能用法语说出来，大意是，他在蚱蜢身上撒尿，听它们唱歌。那就是唐纳德·特朗普。"
卡尔:“那么你当真吗?你认为他会试图继续留任吗?”
纽瑟姆:“我注意到的，我们都经历过的，我希望我们在我们的灵魂中吸收，因为我们在谈论美国的灵魂，我认为他没有认真对待自己，但他重复了。他扔东西。他玩它，他看到人们如何反应，它显现出来。意思是，一旦思想被拉伸，它就再也回不到原来的样子了。这是我所关心的。我们谈论的越多-我们需要。看看他和蒙面特工在做什么。看他在做什么，把警卫联邦化。看看他在做什么来恐吓和压制选民。看看他要对DOJ做什么。看看他想做什么来操纵选举:北卡罗莱纳州，密苏里州，那里，下一个佛罗里达州，而不仅仅是德克萨斯州。看看他在做什么，这2.3亿美元显然是他从DOJ赚来的。所有的赦免，所有的这一切这是历史上最大最腐败的政府。不仅仅是4亿美元的飞机，而是你们纳税的10亿美元，因为我们正在削减食品券来支付那架该死的飞机，这样他就可以在93岁时用他的基金会把那个玩具带回家，或者不管他在第四或第五个任期内做了什么。我对此深感忧虑。像班农这样的人，他们不会乱来。他们没有乱来。”
Newsom says he's 'deeply concerned' about Trump, Bannon comments floating 2028 run
California Democratic Gov. Gavin Newsom said he is "deeply concerned" about remarks from President Donald Trump and his close allies about possibly seeking a third term in 2028.
Newsom, who is considered a potential 2028 presidential contender himself, was asked by ABC News Chief Washington Correspondent Jonathan Karl if he takes such talk seriously.
"They're not screwing around," Newsom said.
Trump has mused several times about running for president again, including as recently as Monday, when he told reporters on Air Force One that he would "love to do it" despite it being barred by the Constitution.
The 22nd Amendment expressly forbids a president from being elected to office more than twice.
Last week, Steve Bannon, the former Trump White House adviser and conservative media provocateur, said in an interview withThe Economistthat "there's a plan" and Trump "is going to get a third term" though he didn't share any details.
Here's a transcript of the exchange between Newsom and Karl in the interview that will air on Wednesday in which Newsom talks about his meeting with Trump in the Oval Office in February.
KARL:"Bannon is talking Trump running again 2028 and you said Trump was talking about his fourth term?"
NEWSOM:"He was showing me a photo of -- I turned around, he was at the Resolute [Desk], and he goes, 'Look over there.' I'm like, and I literally looked and I looked him. I'm like, 'OK.' I said, 'Third term?' He goes, 'No, fourth.' And it was FDR’s painting up on the wall. I'm like, here we go. I said, 'We're perfect little sheep, aren't we?' He's laughing because we are. He knows exactly what we're going to do. There's a French, I don't know what the, I can't say it in French -- poem that loosely says, 'He pisses on the grasshoppers to hear them sing.' And that's Donald Trump."
KARL:"So do you take that seriously? Do you think he is going to try to stay in office?"
NEWSOM:"What I've noticed, what we all have experienced, I hope we're absorbing in our souls, because we're talking about the soul of America, is, I don't think he takes himself seriously, but he iterates. He throws things out. And he plays with it, and he sees how people react, and it manifests. Meaning, once a mind is stretched, it never goes back to its original form. And that's my concern. The more we're talking about this -- and we need to be. Look at what he's doing with masked agents. Look what he's doing federalizing the Guard. Look what he's doing to intimidate and voter suppression. Look what he's going to do with the DOJ. Look what he's trying to do to rig the elections: North Carolina, Missouri, down there, next Florida, not just in Texas. Look what he's doing in terms of the $230 million that is, apparently, his from his DOJ. All the pardoning, all the this -- this great grift, the biggest, most corrupt administration in history. Not just the $400 million plane, but the billion dollars of your tax money as we're cutting food stamps to pay for the damn plane so he can take that toy home with his foundation when he's 93 or whatever he's done with his fourth or fifth term. I'm deeply concerned about it. And guys like Bannon, they're not screwing around. They're not screwing around."
