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切尼说,1月6日委员会不会让特朗普的证词变成“马戏”

2022-10-24 15:46  -ABC   - 

众议员利兹·切尼周日表示,尽管众议院1月6日的委员会“预计”前总统唐纳德·特朗普会遵守陪审团给他发了传票上周,“他不会把这变成一个马戏团。”

这意味着委员会成员可能对特朗普在公开场合向委员会现场作证不感兴趣,就像一些过去的证人切尼、R-Wyo、在全国广播公司的“会见新闻界”节目中说

“委员会非常严肃地对待这件事,”她说。“我们将继续对宣誓就职的前总统进行质询。这可能需要几天时间。我们将以应有的严谨、自律和严肃的态度来完成这项工作。”

切尼说,如果特朗普坐下来接受提问,形式不会像“他与乔·拜登的第一场辩论马戏团和食物大战。这是一系列非常严重的问题。我们已经明确了他的责任。"

切尼说,如果特朗普拒绝合作或在法庭上反对传票,“我们有很多很多选择,我们会考虑。”但她指出,国会的要求适用于所有人——不仅仅是特朗普。

切尼说:“我们已经在传票中明确了一些事情,包括如果他打算采取第五修正案(反对自证其罪),他应该提前提醒我们。”。

1月6日的委员会上周正式向特朗普发出传票在早些时候投票通过这一举措后在最后一次公开听证会上。传唤前总统这是一个罕见但并非史无前例的步骤。

传票要求特朗普在11月4日之前交出文件,并在11月14日开始的宣誓作证中出庭一天或几天。

“我们认识到,向前总统发传票是一个重大的历史性步骤,”密西西比州民主党众议员本尼·汤普森说。和委员会主席兼副主席切尼周五在给特朗普的一封信中写道。“我们不会轻易采取这一行动。”

作为回应,特朗普的律师声称该委员会“藐视规范”。

PHOTO: Former U.S. President Donald Trump speaks during a campaign rally in Minden, Nev., Oct. 8, 2022.

Former U.S. President Donald Trump speaks during a campaign rally in Minden, Nev., Oct. 8, 2022.

贾斯汀·沙利文/盖蒂图片社

“我们了解到,委员会再次无视规范和适当的惯例程序,公开发布了一份传票。与任何类似的问题一样,我们将进行审查和分析,并将对这一前所未有的行动做出适当的回应,”迪隆法律集团的合伙人大卫·沃林顿说。

在今年夏天和秋天的一系列听证会上,1月6日的委员会引用了来自特朗普助手和顾问的大量证人证词、文件和其他材料在建立一个他知道的案子时他在2020年输给了乔·拜登,但非法试图继续掌权,同时敦促他的支持者——他知道其中一些人是武装的——在2021年1月6日游行到国会大厦,导致了骚乱。

特朗普否认有不当行为,并指责该委员会在政治上迫害他,同时没有为自己的行为辩护。

只有两名共和党人在委员会中:切尼和伊利诺伊州众议员亚当·金辛格,他们都将于明年1月离开国会。

金辛格上周在美国广播公司的“本周”节目中说特朗普可能的现场证词需要“谈判”。

“他明确表示他没有什么要隐瞒的,这是他说的。所以他应该在我们要求他来的那天来。如果他继续推下去,我们会想出下一步该怎么做,”金辛格说。

委员会的工作很可能会被退回去仔细检查共和党在11月夺回了众议院。

切尼在“会见新闻界”节目中承认了这一点。

“如果我们在一个国家,我们的政治以他们应该的方式运作,无论如何调查都会进行,”她说。

Jan. 6 committee won't let Trump's testimony become 'a circus,' Cheney says

Rep. Liz Cheney said Sunday that while the House Jan. 6 committee was "anticipating" that former President Donald Trump would complywith the subpoena the panel issued to himlast week, "He's not going to turn this into a circus."

That meant that committee members likely weren't interested in Trump testifying live before the committee in a public setting, as some past witnesses have, Cheney, R-Wyo.,said on NBC's "Meet the Press."

"The committee treats this matter with great seriousness," she said. "And we are going to proceed in terms of the questioning of the former president under oath. It may take multiple days. And it will be done with a level of rigor and discipline and seriousness that it deserves."

If and when Trump sits for questioning, Cheney said, the format wouldn't be like "his first debate against Joe Bidenand the circus and the food fight that that became. This is far too serious set of issues. And we've made clear exactly what his obligations are."

Should Trump refuse to cooperate or fight the subpoena in court, Cheney said, "We have many, many alternatives that we will consider." But she noted that Congress' demands apply to everyone -- not just Trump.

"We've made clear in the subpoena a number of things, including that if he intends to take the Fifth [Amendment against self-incrimination] that he ought to alert us of that ahead of time," Cheney said.

The Jan. 6 committee last week formally issued its subpoena to Trumpafter earlier voting to approve such a moveduring the last public hearing. Subpoenaing a former presidentis a rare though not unprecedented step.

The subpoena requires Trump to turn over documents by Nov. 4 and to appear for one or several days of deposition under oath beginning on Nov. 14.

"We recognize that a subpoena to a former President is a significant and historic step," Rep. Bennie Thompson, D-Miss., and Cheney, the committee chair and vice-chair, wrote in a letter to Trump on Friday. "We do not take this action lightly."

In response, an attorney for Trump claimed the committee was "flouting norms."

"We understand that, once again, flouting norms and appropriate and customary process, the Committee has publicly released a copy of its subpoena. As with any similar matter, we will review and analyze it, and will respond as appropriate to this unprecedented action," said David Warrington, a partner at Dhillon Law Group.

In a series of hearings this summer and fall, the Jan. 6 committee has cited extensive witness testimony, documents and other materials from Trump's aides and advisersin building a case that he was awarehe had lost to Joe Biden in 2020 but illegally tried to stay in power while urging his supporters -- some of whom he knew were armed -- to march to the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, leading to the riot.

Trump has denied wrongdoing and accused the committee of politically persecuting him while not presenting his defense of his actions.

Only two Republicans sit on the panel: Cheney and Illinois Rep. Adam Kinzinger, both of whom are leaving Congress in January.

Kinzingersaid last week on ABC's "This Week"that potential live testimony from Trump would require "negotiation."

"He's made it clear he has nothing to hide, [that's] what he said. So he should come in on the day we asked him to come in. If he pushes off beyond that, we'll figure out what to do next," Kinzinger said then.

The committee's work is likely to be walked back and scrutinized shouldthe GOP retake the House in November.

Cheney acknowledged that in her appearance on "Meet the Press."

"If we were in a nation where our politics were operating the way they should, the investigation would proceed no matter what," she said.

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