在周四的听证会之前由众议院委员会于1月6日通过调查人员预计将从特勤局获得更多信息,以“全面了解”去年国会大厦起义之前和期间发生的事情,包括它与代理发送的短信相关众议员佐伊·洛夫格伦周日说,在这段时间里。
“我们希望在本周二之前得到它们,”加州民主党人兼众议院委员会成员洛夫格伦告诉美国广播公司“本周”联合主播玛莎·拉达茨。洛夫格伦指的是该机构称他们在上周接到内部监督机构的投诉后获得的“相关文本”,该投诉称,在监督机构寻求这些记录后,特勤局已删除了2021年1月5日和1月6日的文本。
“我们需要1月5日和6日的所有文本。听说他们重置iPhones前没有备份数据,我很震惊。这太疯狂了,我不知道为什么会这样,”Lofgren告诉Raddatz,“但我们需要获得这些信息,以获得完整的图片。”
在之前的声明中,特勤局-被传唤了该委员会上周五表示,任何暗示他们故意删除文本的说法都是错误的,委员会得到了他们“充分而坚定的合作”
在“本周”节目中,拉达茨问洛夫格伦,公众可能会在周四的听证会上期待什么证据,该委员会表示,听证会将详细说明特朗普白宫对正在发生的骚乱的反应。
“我将让听证会自己说话,但我们希望每分钟都经历一次发生了什么,那天没有发生什么,人们可以做出自己的判断,”Lofgren说。
她说,听证会不会触及该委员会副主席、怀俄明州共和党众议员利兹·切尼(Liz Cheney)在上次听证会上提出的证人篡改指控,称特朗普曾试图联系一名尚未公开露面的匿名证人。(特朗普的发言人称切尼是骗子。)
2022年7月12日,调查1月6日国会大厦袭击事件的众议院特别委员会在华盛顿国会大厦举行听证会,佐伊·洛夫格伦在听。
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Raddatz指出,虽然一些公众在听证会期间受到了委员会证据的影响最近的蒙茅斯民意测验[从6月下旬]发现不到四分之一的美国人在关注,90%的人说听证会没有改变他们的想法。"
“我想有些人已经听到我们了。超过5500万人观看了委员会会议的部分内容,”洛夫格伦说。
与此同时,她说,“调查仍在进行中。一系列听证会将于本周四结束,但这并不意味着我们的调查已经结束。它非常活跃,新的证人不断出现,更多的信息不断涌现。”
正如最初报道的那样,该委员会还在考虑采访特朗普和特朗普的副总统迈克·彭斯作者:华尔街日报.
“一切都摆在桌面上,”洛夫格伦说——包括可能的刑事移交,委员会成员一再表示他们正在考虑,但这相当于一种象征性的姿态,而不是法律指令。这个决定最终取决于检察官。
至于司法部与1月6日有关的案件,Lofgren说,她认为这种不法行为超出了委员会详细列出的虚假选举人计划,委员会表示DOJ现在已经要求提供证据。
“我确实认为这里有一个更广泛的阴谋。我认为这是显而易见的,”洛夫格伦说。“我不想告诉司法部长如何进行调查。但我要说的是,他们有传票权,而且他们有比国会更容易的方式来执行传票。”
Jan. 6 committee expects more information soon from Secret Service amid deleted Jan. 6 messages
Ahead of Thursday's hearingby the House's Jan. 6 committee, investigators anticipate receiving more information from the Secret Service "to get the full picture" of what occurred before and during the Capitol insurrection last year, including as itrelated to text messages agents sentin that period of time, Rep. Zoe Lofgren said Sunday.
"We expect to get them by this Tuesday," Lofgren, a California Democrat and member of the House committee, told ABC "This Week" co-anchor Martha Raddatz. Lofgren was referring to "pertinent texts" the agency said they had in the wake of a complaint last week from an internal watchdog that the Secret Service had deleted texts from Jan. 5 and Jan. 6, 2021, after the watchdog sought those records.
"We need all of the texts from the fifth and sixth of January. I was shocked to hear that they didn't back up their data before they reset their iPhones. That's crazy, and I don't know why that would be," Lofgren told Raddatz, "but we need to get this information to get the full picture."
In a previous statement, the Secret Service --which was subpoenaedby the committee on Friday -- said any "insinuation" that they intentionally deleted texts was false and that the committee had their "full and unwavering cooperation."
On "This Week," Raddatz asked Lofgren about what evidence the public could expect at Thursday's hearing, which the committee has said will detail the Trump White House's reaction to the unfolding riot.
"I'm going to let the hearings speak for itself, but we hope to go through minute by minute what happened, what didn't happen on that day and people can make their own judgment," Lofgren said.
She said the hearing would not touch on the allegation of witness tampering that Wyoming Republican Rep. Liz Cheney, the committee's vice-chair, raised during the last hearing -- saying that Trump had attempted to contact an unnamed witness who hasn’t appeared publicly. (Trump's spokesman called Cheney a liar.)
Raddatz noted that while some in the public have been influenced by the committee's evidence during the hearings, "arecent Monmouth poll[from late June] found less than a quarter of Americans are paying attention and 90% of those say the hearings have not changed their minds."
"I think some people have heard us. More than 55 million people have watched some part of the committee proceedings," Lofgren said.
Meanwhile, she said, "This investigation is very much ongoing. The fact that series of hearings is going to be concluded this Thursday doesn't mean that our investigation is over. It's very active, new witnesses are coming forward, additional information is coming forward."
The committee is also weighing seeking interviews with Trump and Trump's vice president, Mike Pence, as was first reportedby The Wall Street Journal.
"Everything is on the table," Lofgren said -- including a possible criminal referral, which committee members have repeatedly said they are considering but which amounts to a symbolic gesture rather than a legal directive. The decision is ultimately up to prosecutors.
As for the Department of Justice's cases related to Jan. 6, Lofgren said she believed the wrongdoing went beyond the false electors scheme the committee had detailed -- evidence the committee said the DOJ has now requested.
"I do think that there's a much broader plot here. I think that's pretty obvious," Lofgren said. "I would not want to tell the attorney general how to conduct his investigations. But I will say this, they have subpoena power and they have a lot easier way to enforce their subpoenas than the Congress does."