众议员吉姆·克莱伯恩(Jim Clyburn)周日询问了他在参议院的同事,他们将于周二就投票权立法进行投票:“你站在哪一边?”引用了民权时代经常唱的标志性的工会组织歌曲。
“你知道,这是马丁·路德·金的周末。我第一次见到马丁·路德·金是在1960年。我还记得一首歌,如果你回想一下,那时候,‘你站在哪一边?多数派鞭子告诉美国广播公司“本周”联合主持人玛莎·拉德达茨当我看到这些参议员时,我想起了这首歌。你站在哪一边?"
“所以让我们进行投票,这样我们就可以得到这个问题的明确答案,”他补充说。
尽管众议院周四通过了投票权立法,但这一努力的结果似乎仍是定局,民主党参议员乔·曼钦(Joe Manchin)和亚利桑那州参议员基斯顿·西内马(Kyrsten Sinema)反对取消阻挠议事条款,为投票权立法在参议院获得通过铺平道路。
“参议员西内马和曼钦对改变阻挠议事规则说‘不’。你有希望在周二之前事情会有所改变吗?”拉德达茨问道。
“你知道,南卡罗来纳州人大体上遵循我们的州训,‘我呼吸的时候,我希望。’“是的,我确实有希望,”克莱本说我知道这两位民主党人已经决定,对他们来说,保护参议院少数党的投票权比保护我们这个伟大国家的少数党的投票权重要得多,这个伟大国家的少数党使他们有可能处于他们目前所处的地位。所以,我希望如此,但我不认为我们会改变他们的想法。但是我们会看到的。"
克莱本告诉拉德达茨,他将支持全面修改《选举计票法》,但认为鉴于2022年中期选举的紧迫性,投票权是一个更紧迫的问题。
他的支持率下降到了历史最低,Raddatz向拜登的密友Clyburn施压,要求总统如何在今年中期选举前扭转当前的政治趋势。
“2020年,你为拜登总统扭转了局势,这是功不可没的,但随着他执政这一年的临近,他的民调数字创下了历史新低。昆尼皮亚克大学最近的一项民意调查显示,33%的人对工作持赞同态度。他是如何扭转局面的?”拉德达茨问道。
“现在,如果乔·拜登在输掉前两场比赛——三场比赛——后辞职,他就不会有今天的成就。我一直告诉人们,‘三振出局’是棒球规则,他不应该遵守棒球规则。他那时不遵守棒球规则,他现在是总统了,”克莱伯恩回应道。“继续按,我们会到达我们需要的地方。”
拜登周二发表了热情洋溢的讲话,呼吁修改参议院规则,以通过投票权立法。
拉德达茨问克莱伯恩,拜登的讲话是否过火了。
“我想回到乔·拜登总统身边。他在周二的演讲后遭到了非常严重的反对。“参议员迪克·德宾说,他把目前的投票限制与吉姆·克劳相比,有点太过分了。米奇·麦康奈尔称拜登使用这种分裂性语言是“非常不明智的”。那么,这种激烈的语气是否适得其反?”
克莱本回答说:“绝对不是。我不同意这两种说法。我认识迪克;我非常喜欢迪克。但让我告诉你一些事情,这就是吉姆·克劳的全部。”
根据美国司法部的数据,2021年,美国19个州颁布了34部限制投票权的新法律布伦南正义中心。
“这些是吉姆·克劳2.0。这是我同意的总统演讲的最强点之一,”他补充道。
拉德达茨还在即将到来的中期选举周期之前,就民主党的未来向克莱伯恩施压。
“这就是参议员伯尼·桑德斯讲述《纽约时报》在我们进入中期选举时写道:“我认为数百万美国人已经变得非常沮丧。他们在问民主党代表什么?……显然,当前的战略正在失败。我们需要进行一次重大的航向修正。你不同意吗?”拉达茨问道。
“嗯,我不知道他指的是什么,但我认为他们会在一个议程上向前推进。我们代表什么?我们支持美国救援法案。我们支持我们在众议院通过的“重建得更好”,克莱伯恩回答。“参议员们是时候做他们需要做的事情,让这些法案越过终点线了。”
“来吧,元老院,站出来。站出来推翻规则,让这些法案通过,”他补充道。“每个人都会知道我们的立场。”
Clyburn asks senators 'which side are you on?' for voting rights
Rep. Jim Clyburn, D-S.C., on Sunday asked his colleagues in the Senate who are set to vote on voting rights legislation Tuesday: "Which side are you on?" referencing the iconic union organizing song often sung during the civil rights era.
"You know, this is Martin Luther King Jr.'s weekend. I first met Martin Luther King Jr. back in 1960. And I can remember a song, if you think back, back then, 'Which Side Are You On?,'" the majority whip told ABC "This Week" co-anchor Martha Raddatz. "That song comes to mind today when I look at these senators. Which side are you on?"
"So let's have the vote so we can get a definitive answer to the question," he added.
Despite the House passing voting rights legislation Thursday, the outcome of the effort is still a seemingly foregone conclusion with Sens. Joe Manchin, D-W.V., and Kyrsten Sinema, D-Ariz., opposed to removing the filibuster provision to pave a path for voting rights legislation to pass the Senate.
"Senators Sinema and Manchin have said 'no' to changing the filibuster rules. Do you have any hope things might change before Tuesday?" Raddatz asked.
"You know, South Carolinians live, by and large, by our state motto, 'As I breathe, I hope.' Yes, I do have hope," Clyburn said. "I know that these two Democrats have decided that it is much more important to them to protect the voting rights of the minority on the Senate floor than to protect the voting rights of minorities in this great country of ours, this great country, the minorities that made it possible for them to be in the position that they're currently in. So, I hope, but I don't think that we will change their mind. But we will see."
Clyburn told Raddatz he would support overhauling the Electoral Count Act but thinks voting rights is a more pressing issue given the immediacy of the 2022 midterm elections.
With his sinking approval rating at anall-time low, Raddatz pressed Clyburn, a close confidant to Biden, on how the president can turn the current political tide ahead of the midterms this year.
"You're credited with turning the tide for President Biden in 2020, but as he approaches this one year in office, his poll numbers are at an all-time low. A Quinnipiac poll recently showed a 33 percent job approval rating. How does he turn that around?" Raddatz asked.
"Now, if Joe Biden had quit after he lost those first two races -- three races, he would not be where he is today. I tell people all the time, 'three strikes and you're out' is a baseball rule and he -- he should not live by baseball rules. He didn't live by baseball rules then, he's now the president," Clyburn responded. "Keep pressing, and we'll get to where we need to be."
Biden delivered an impassioned speech on Tuesday, calling for a change to the Senate rules to pass voting rights legislation.
Raddatz asked Clyburn whether Biden's speech went too far.
"I want to go back to President Joe Biden. He got very serious pushback after his speech on Tuesday," Raddatz pressed. "Senator Dick Durbin said he took it 'a little too far' by comparing current voting restrictions to Jim Crow. Mitch McConnell called Biden 'profoundly unpresidential' for this divisive language. So, was that fierce tone counterproductive?"
Clyburn responded, "Absolutely not. I disagree with both of those statements. I know Dick; I like Dick a whole lot. But let me tell you something, that was what Jim Crow was all about."
Thirty-four new laws that restrict voting rights have been enacted in 19 states across the country in 2021, according to theBrennan Center for Justice.
"These are Jim Crow 2.0. That is one of the strongest points of the president's speech that I agree with," he added.
Raddatz also pressed Clyburn on the future of the Democratic Party ahead of the looming midterm election cycle.
"This is what Senator Bernie SanderstoldThe New York Times as we head into the midterms: 'I think millions of Americans have become very demoralized. They're asking what do the Democrats stand for? … Clearly, the current strategy is failing. And we need a major course correction.' Do you disagree with that?" Raddatz asked.
"Well, I don't know what he has reference to, but I think they'll be progressing forward on an agenda. What do we stand for? We stand for the American Rescue Act…. We stand for Build Back Better that we had passed in the House," Clyburn answered. "It is time for the senators to do what they need to do to get those bills across the finish line."
"Come on, Senate, step up. Stand to upend rules and get these bills passed," he added. "Everybody will know what we stand for."