10月21日上午，亚历克·鲍德温顿悟了。
这位明星演员坐在低成本西方电影《铁锈》片场的教堂长凳上，以一种全新的欣赏感观察着周围的喧嚣。他热爱的一个项目终于实现了——电影的魔力触手可及。
“我坐在那张长椅上，我说，‘这部电影让我再次爱上了拍电影，’”鲍德温在他的第一次独家采访中告诉美国广播公司新闻记者乔治·斯特凡诺普洛斯。
“我真的认为我们有所进展，”他继续说道。“然后这把枪走火了。”
鲍德温沉思了几个小时后手里拿着一把古董柯尔特. 45左轮手枪在电影的标记排练中，道具枪发射了一颗实弹，杀死了电影摄影师哈林娜·哈钦斯，打伤了导演乔尔·苏扎。
鲍德温说:“有人在枪里放了一颗活子弹，这颗子弹甚至不应该在财产上。“有人要对发生的事情负责，我不能说那是谁，但我知道那不是我。”
鲍德温和斯特凡诺普洛斯坐下来仔细研究导致哈钦斯死亡的一系列事件，他说他没有理由怀疑道具枪里可能有一颗活子弹。他还讨论了围绕这一事件的批评、诉讼和调查。
“我不知道那一集发生了什么。我不知道子弹是怎么进到枪里的。我不知道，”鲍德温说。“但我完全赞成做任何事情，把我们带到一个不太可能再次发生这种情况的地方。”
乔治·斯特凡诺普洛斯制作的《亚历克·鲍德温未编剧》将于美国东部时间周四晚上8点/美国东部时间晚上7点在美国广播公司播出，并于当晚晚些时候在Hulu播出。
下周，一个两小时的“20/20”节目将深入探讨《铁锈》片场致命枪击事件之前发生的事件，以及对错误原因的调查，并介绍鲍德温的采访和新的采访。《20/20》于12月10日星期五(美国东部时间晚上9:01-11:00)在美国广播公司播出，第二天在Hulu播出。
冷枪
鲍德温说，《铁锈》的演员和工作人员正在分秒必争地工作。预算约为700万美元，仅用于在新墨西哥州圣达菲著名的博南萨牧场拍摄21天。
这部电影的制片人很高兴能得到哈钦斯，一位41岁的母亲，一位在竞争激烈的行业中冉冉升起的新星。鲍德温和哈钦斯以前从未合作过。
“我喜欢和这个女人一起工作，”他说。”她一乐。每个人都喜欢她这个人。每个人都钦佩她的才华。”
拍摄当天，鲍德温说他和哈钦斯会面讨论即将到来的一幕。在这部电影中，鲍德温扮演一个被逼得走投无路、受了重伤的角色，他将把武器对准两个敌人。
在排练期间，鲍德温说这部电影的第一位助理导演戴夫·霍尔斯递给他一把左轮手枪。鲍德温回忆道，霍尔告诉他，“这是一把冷枪”——这是一种武器的行业行话，要么是空的，要么是装有非发射“哑”弹的。
鲍德温说:“现在，那里发生了什么，他为什么发表这一声明，现实是什么，我也不知道。
霍尔斯的律师丽莎·托拉科(Lisa Torraco)此后表示，检查武器“不是他的责任”，“指望助理导演检查枪支就像告诉助理导演检查摄像机角度，或者告诉助理导演检查声音或灯光。”
托拉科也没有证实霍尔斯是否是把枪交给鲍德温的人。
“我没有扣扳机”
鲍德温手里拿着枪，说他和哈钦斯开始封锁现场。她在指挥他的一举一动，他说:“一切都在她的方向。”
“这是一次标记排练，”鲍德温说。“[哈钦斯]对我说，‘把枪放低。往右走。好的，就在那儿。好吧，去吧。现在把它放低一点。她让我定位枪。"
“她正在引导我，让我知道她想让我在这个角度握枪，”他说。“我在她让我拿枪的地方拿着枪，结果枪正好对准了她的腋下。”
接下来发生了什么仍然是个谜。这是由圣达菲县警长办公室领导的公众监督和调查的主题。
为了开枪，鲍德温说他需要扣动扳机，但不能开枪:“扳机没有扣动。我没有扣动扳机。”
”我翘起了枪。我说，‘你能看见吗?你能看到吗?“你能看到吗?”“鲍德温说。”然后我放开了枪锤，枪响了。我放开枪锤，枪就响了。"
“那么，你从未扣动扳机?”斯特凡诺普洛斯问道。
“不，不，不，不，不，”鲍德温说。"我绝不会用枪指着任何人并向他们开枪。"
霍尔的律师托拉科周四证实了鲍德温的说法，称霍尔“从第一天”就告诉她，他在三四英尺外观察，“鲍德温的手指一直在扳机护板外面，与枪管平行……亚历克没有扣动扳机。”
后果:混乱和混乱
在击发并释放枪锤后，鲍德温回忆说，“首先，每个人都很震惊，他们很震惊，声音很大。”
“[哈钦斯]倒下了。我心想，“她晕倒了吗?”他说。大概45分钟到一小时后，我才明白枪里有一发子弹。"
鲍德温说，电影和电视中的空弹或哑弹的意外排放是很常见的。事实上，机组人员已经表示，就在致命事故发生前几天，“铁锈”号上已经发生了至少一次意外排放。
所以当鲍德温的枪发射时，他说他或任何观看现场的人都不清楚发生了什么可怕的事情。
鲍德温说，霍尔告诉他，他正在处理一把“冷枪”，这增加了一层混乱，因为这意味着枪应该没有实弹。
鲍德温说，在随后的混乱中，他想知道哈钦斯是否被一把故障枪发射的错误弹丸击中，比如“填料”，它将火药装入枪管，或者甚至可能心脏病发作。
“没人能理解，”他说。
吉姆·韦伯/新墨西哥人
亚历克·鲍德温在卡米诺街圣达菲县警长办公室外的停车场...
哈钦斯被一颗实弹击中胸部。出院时，鲍德温的老朋友和合作者索萨一直站在哈钦斯身后，被同一颗子弹击中。
鲍德温说，在被告知离开该地区之前，他在哈钦斯身边站了60秒钟，“有点震惊”。鲍德温说，他和其他机组人员的眼睛“盯着”大约30分钟后抵达的紧急直升机。
他说他然后去了警长办公室。他说，在那里，警察给他看了一张从苏扎取出的铅弹照片。他说，当时警官告诉他哈钦斯已经死了。
鲍德温说:“在我与治安部门面谈的最后……他们对我说，‘我们很遗憾地告诉你(哈钦斯)没能成功。’。“他们当场就告诉了我。”
船员投诉，不安全设备的索赔
一些机组人员将这起致命事件描述为生产混乱的症状，平息了媒体和民事诉讼中对不安全工作条件、长时间工作、住房不足和不合格员工的指控。
就在拍摄前几个小时，几名工作人员走出片场以示抗议。
鲍德温对这些抱怨很警惕，将每天12或13小时的工作时间设定为电影片场的惯例。
他说，任何关于不安全工作环境的指控从未引起他的注意，他也不认为工作条件不安全。
鲍德温说，在一些机组人员辞职的前一天，摄影助理莱恩·卢普提醒他注意机组人员的酒店房间问题，但没有提到安全问题。鲍德温说，他准备退还一部分工资，以支持更好的住宿条件。但是第二天，没有向他发出任何警告，据鲍德温说，船员们没有出现。
鲍德温说:“他们决定在拍摄过程中重新谈判合同，就我而言，这不是一个好主意。
公众监督的另一个目标——以及两起民事诉讼——是汉娜·古铁雷斯·里德，这部电影的24岁的军械师和道具大师。作为一名军械师，古铁雷斯·里德，好莱坞著名军械师塞尔·里德的女儿，负责维护、搬运、装卸片场的任何武器。当鲍德温到达片场时，他说古铁雷斯·里德给他做了90分钟的枪支安全演示。
古铁雷斯·里德在《铁锈》之前只在一部电影中担任过装甲工，她的任务是在装甲工和其他道具相关的任务之间分配时间。
鲍德温是这部电影的联合制片人，他说他没有参与雇佣她的决定。他说，他是一名“纯粹的创意制作人……我不雇佣剧组里的任何人。”
"你认为她适合这份工作吗?"斯特凡诺普洛斯问道。
鲍德温说:“我以为因为她在那里，而且她被录用了，所以她能胜任这份工作。“我是说，我不是雇佣剧组的制片人。”
古铁雷斯·里德的律师戴维·鲍尔斯上个月在接受《早安美国》采访时表示，他认为有人可能“故意在一个装着假人的盒子里放一个直播镜头，意图破坏这一场景。”鲍尔斯补充说，古铁雷斯-里德不知道实弹来自哪里。
鲍德温说，他很难想象会是这种情况，并说他认为“这极有可能是一次事故。”
“这是一个巨大的指控，有人来做了一些事情，出于什么目的?攻击谁?诋毁谁?伤害我?生产?”他说。“如果有人这么做，他们这样做的动机是什么?”
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回应批评和法律曝光
鲍德温在两起民事诉讼中被点名，其中一起指控他用枪指着哈钦斯，以此“玩俄罗斯轮盘赌”。
鲍德温认为，在《铁锈》中，他遵循了他在40年的电影和电视生涯中所遵循的规则，并表示他相信专业人士有责任维护一个安全的环境。
鲍德温说:“就对枪的处理而言，那天我做的和我每天在那部电影里做的完全一样。“演员的责任是按照道具装配工的吩咐去做。”
“当负责那项工作的人把武器交给我时，我信任他们，”他继续说道。“我从来没有遇到过问题，从来没有。”
霍尔在一份宣誓证词中告诉调查人员，古铁雷斯-里德打开了鲍德温使用的枪支，但他只记得看到了“三发子弹”，“他应该检查了所有子弹，但没有检查，也不记得古铁雷斯-里德是否旋转了鼓。”根据宣誓书，霍尔还告诉调查人员，他不知道他给鲍德温的枪支中有任何实弹。
鲍德温坚持说他绝不会在片场滥用枪支。他重申，他只是听从哈钦斯的指示，相信霍尔的“冷枪”指令。
鲍德温说:“我绝不会拿枪指着任何人，也绝不会朝他们扣动扳机。
斯特凡诺普洛斯说:“有些人说，无论如何，你都不应该在片场拿枪指着任何人。
鲍德温说:“除非这个人是电影摄影师，他正指导我用枪指着她的拍摄角度。“事情就是这样。”
对鲍德温的批评来自其他演员，其中一些演员分享了他们在拍摄时使用武器的协议。乔治·克鲁尼最近说，“每次我在片场拿到枪的时候——每次他们给我枪的时候——我都会看着它，打开它，给我指着的人看。我们给船员看。”
鲍德温对克鲁尼几乎不加掩饰的刺拳提出异议，称其“放错了地方”
“有很多人觉得有必要对这种情况发表一些评论，这真的对情况没有任何帮助，”他说。“如果你的协议是你每次都检查枪，那么，对你有好处。对你有好处。”
“我的原则是相信拥有这份工作的人，”他继续说道。“这种情况一直持续到现在。”
“演员的责任是什么?”斯特凡诺普洛斯按下。
“这是一个棘手的问题，”鲍德温说。“因为演员这一天往前走的责任和前一天大不相同……那天我做的事情和我们拍摄的其他所有日子一样。”
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鲍德温淡化了他面临的刑事指控。
“知情人士告诉我，即使在州内，我也不太可能被指控犯有任何刑事罪，”他说。
个人费用
“你感到内疚吗?”斯特凡诺普洛斯问道。
“不，不，”鲍德温说。“如果我认为我有责任，我可能会自杀，我不会轻易这么说，”
他说，尽管如此，这一事件给他留下了创伤，并继续给他带来压力。
鲍德温说:“我现在经常做这样的梦。“我度过了我的一天，我熬过了这一天。然后我在一天结束时崩溃。感情上，我崩溃了。”
他说，哈钦斯的去世也让他质疑自己是否还想继续拍电影，并表示自己“无法想象”会再拍一部带枪的电影。
“我再也不能对我的职业生涯说三道四了，”他说。
“结束了吗?”斯特凡诺普洛斯问道。
“嗯，有可能，”鲍德温说。
拍摄结束后，鲍德温说他有机会见到哈钦斯的鳏夫马修和她9岁的儿子。
“我不知道该说什么，”鲍德温说。“[马修]拥抱了我，然后他说，‘我想你和我会一起度过难关的，’他说。我想，‘嗯，没你多。’"
为了哈钦斯的家庭，也为了他自己的情感健康，鲍德温说他想要答案。他多次暗示他对正在进行的刑事调查感兴趣，称他急切地等待调查结果。
他说，在那之前，他能做的就是反思。
“你说过你不是受害者，”斯特凡诺普洛斯说。“但这是你经历过的最糟糕的事情吗?
“是的。是的，是的，是的，”鲍德温回答。“因为回想起来，我想到我能做什么?”
Alec Baldwin on 'Rust' shooting: 'Someone is responsible ... but I know it's not me'
On the morning of Oct. 21,Alec Baldwinhad an epiphany.
Sitting in a church pew on the set of “Rust,” a low-budget Western film, the star actor observed the hustle-and-bustle around him with a renewed sense of appreciation. A project he loved was finally coming to life – the magic of the cinema felt within reach.
“I sat on that bench, and I said, ‘This movie has made me love making movies again,’” Baldwin told ABC News’ George Stephanopoulos in his first exclusive interview.
“I really thought we were onto something,” he continued. “And then this gun goes off.”
Hours after his moment of reflection, Baldwinwas holding an antique Colt .45 revolverduring a marking rehearsal for the film, when the prop gun discharged a live bullet, killing cinematographer Halyna Hutchins and wounding director Joel Souza.
"Someone put a live bullet in a gun, a bullet that wasn't even supposed to be on the property," Baldwin said. "Someone is responsible for what happened, and I can't say who that is, but I know it's not me."
Baldwin sat down with Stephanopoulos to sift through the series of events that led to Hutchins’ death, saying he had no reason to suspect a live bullet could be in the prop gun. He also discussed the criticism, litigation and investigations surrounding the incident.
“I don't know what happened on that set. I don't know how that bullet arrived in that gun. I don't know,” Baldwin said. “But I'm all for doing anything that will take us to a place where this is less likely to happen again.”
"Alec Baldwin Unscripted," produced by George Stephanopoulos Productions, airs in a one-hour primetime special event on Thursday 8 p.m. ET/7 p.m. CT on ABC and streams on Hulu later that evening.
Next week, a two-hour “20/20” delves into the events ahead of the deadly shooting on the set of “Rust” and the pending investigations into what went wrong, and features the Baldwin interview and new interviews. “20/20” airs Friday, Dec. 10 (9:01–11:00 p.m. EST), on ABC and streaming next day on Hulu.
‘A cold gun’
The cast and crew of “Rust” were working against the clock, Baldwin said. The budget, approximately $7 million, accounted for just 21 days of filming at the famed Bonanza Ranch in Santa Fe, New Mexico.
The film’s producers were excited to have secured Hutchins, a 41-year-old mother and a rising star in the notoriously competitive industry. Baldwin and Hutchins had never worked together before.
“I loved working with this woman,” he said. “She was a joy. Everyone loved her as a person. And everyone admired her talent.”
On the day of the shooting, Baldwin said he and Hutchins met to discuss an upcoming scene. In it, Baldwin was playing a cornered and badly wounded character who would draw his weapon on two foes.
During rehearsal, Baldwin said the film’s first assistant director, Dave Halls, handed him a revolver. Baldwin recalled Halls telling him, “This is a cold gun” – industry jargon for a weapon that is either literally empty or loaded with non-firing "dummy" rounds.
“Now, what happened there, and why he made that statement, and what the realities were, I have, again, I have no idea,” Baldwin said.
Lisa Torraco, a lawyer for Halls, has since said that checking the weapon was “not his responsibility,” and that “expecting an assistant director to check a firearm is like telling the assistant director to check the camera angle or telling the assistant director to check sound or lighting.”
Torraco also would not confirm if Halls was the person who handed Baldwin the gun.
'I didn't pull the trigger'
Gun in hand, Baldwin said he and Hutchins began blocking out the scene. She was directing his every move, he said: “Everything is at her direction.”
“This was a marking rehearsal,” Baldwin said. “And [Hutchins] says to me, ‘Hold the gun lower. Go to your right. Okay, right there. All right, do that. Now show it a little bit lower.’ And she's getting me to position the gun.”
“She's guiding me through how she wants me to hold the gun for this angle,” he said. “I'm holding the gun where she told me to hold it, which ended up being aimed right below her armpit.”
What happened next remains a mystery. It's the subject of intense public scrutiny and an investigation fronted by the Santa Fe County Sheriff’s Office.
To get the shot, Baldwin said he needed to cock the gun, but not fire it: “The trigger wasn't pulled. I didn't pull the trigger.”
“I cock the gun. I go, ‘Can you see that? Can you see that? Can you see that?’” Baldwin said. “And then I let go of the hammer of the gun, and the gun goes off. I let go of the hammer of the gun, the gun goes off.”
“So, you never pulled the trigger?” Stephanopoulos asked.
“No, no, no, no, no,” Baldwin said. “I would never point a gun at anyone and pull a trigger at them.”
Torraco, Halls’ attorney, corroborated Baldwin’s account on Thursday, saying Halls told her “from day one” that he was watching from three or four feet away and “the entire time Baldwin had his finger outside the trigger guard parallel to the barrel … that Alec did not pull that trigger."
The aftermath: Chaos and confusion
After cocking and releasing the gun’s hammer, Baldwin recalled that, “first of all, everyone is horrified, they’re shocked, it’s loud.”
“[Hutchins] goes down. I thought to myself, ‘Did she faint?’” he said. “The notion that there was a live round in that gun did not dawn on me till probably 45 minutes to an hour later.”
Baldwin said accidental discharges of blanks or dummy rounds on film and television sets are common. In fact, crew members have since said that there had already been at least one accidental discharge on the “Rust” set just days before the fatal incident.
So when Baldwin’s gun discharged, he said it wasn’t immediately clear to him or anyone else watching the scene that something terrible had happened.
Baldwin said Halls telling him he was handling a “cold gun” added an additional layer of confusion because it meant the gun was supposed to be clear of live rounds.
In the chaos that followed, Baldwin said he wondered whether Hutchins had been hit by an errant projectile from a malfunctioning gun, like “wadding,” which packs gunpowder into the barrel, or perhaps even had a heart attack.
“No one could understand,” he said.
Hutchins had been shot in the chest with a live bullet. Souza, a longtime friend and collaborator of Baldwin’s, had been standing behind Hutchins when the discharge occurred and was hit with the same bullet.
Baldwin said he stood over Hutchins for 60 seconds, “kind of in shock,” he said, before being told to leave the area. Baldwin said he and other crew members had their eyes “glued” to the emergency helicopter that arrived some 30 minutes later.
He said he then went to the sheriff’s office. There, he said officers showed him a photo of a lead bullet that had been removed from Souza. That's when officers told him Hutchins had died, he said.
“At the very end of my interview with the sheriff's department … they said to me, ‘We regret to tell you that [Hutchins] didn't make it,’” Baldwin said. “They told me right then and there.”
Crew complaints, claims of an unsafe set
Some crew members have described the fatal incident as a symptom of a production in disarray, leveling allegations in the press and in civil litigation of unsafe work conditions, long hours, insufficient housing accommodations and under-qualified hires.
Just hours before the shooting, several crew members walked off the set in protest.
Baldwin was wary of those complaints, framing the 12- or 13-hour workdays as common practice on film sets.
He said any allegations of an unsafe work environment were never brought to his attention nor, he said, did he perceive working conditions as unsafe.
Baldwin said that the day before some crew members quit, Lane Luper, a camera assistant, alerted him to issues with hotel rooms for the crew, but made no mention of safety issues. Baldwin said he was prepared to return a portion of his salary to support better accommodations. But the next day, without warning to him, according to Baldwin, the crew members did not show up.
“They decided to renegotiate the contract in the middle of filming, which is not a good idea, as far as I'm concerned,” Baldwin said.
Another target of public scrutiny – and the two civil lawsuits – is Hannah Gutierrez Reed, the film’s 24-year-old armorer and prop master. As armorer, Gutierrez Reed, the daughter of famed Hollywood armorer Thell Reed, was responsible for maintaining, handling, loading and unloading any weapons on set. When Baldwin arrived on set, he said Gutierrez Reed gave him a 90-minute demonstration on gun safety.
Gutierrez Reed had only worked as an armorer on one film prior to “Rust,” and was tasked with splitting her time between armorer and other prop-related tasks.
Baldwin, as a co-producer on the film, said he played no role in the decision to hire her. He said he served as a “purely creative producer … I don’t hire anybody in the crew.”
“Do you think she was up for the job?” Stephanopoulos asked.
“I assumed because she was there and she was hired she was up for the job,” Baldwin said. “I mean, I'm not a producer that hires the crew.”
David Bowles, an attorney for Gutierrez Reed, told "Good Morning America" last month that he believes somebody may have "intended to sabotage this set with a live round intentionally placed in a box of dummies.” Bowles added that Gutierrez-Reed had no idea where the live bullets came from.
Baldwin said it is hard for him to imagine that being the case, and said he believes it was “overwhelmingly likely that it was an accident.”
“That's an enormous charge to make, that someone came and did something, for what purpose? To attack who? To discredit who? To harm me? The production?” he said. “What was their motive in doing that, if somebody did that?”
Responding to criticism and legal exposure
Baldwin has been named in two civil lawsuits, including one that accuses him of “playing Russian roulette” with the firearm by pointing it towards Hutchins.
In “Rust,” Baldwin argued, he followed the same protocol he exercised over the course of his 40-year career in film and television, and said he placed faith in the professionals he said were responsible for maintaining a safe set.
“In terms of the handling of the gun, that day I did exactly what I've done every day on that movie,” Baldwin said. “The actor's responsibility is to do what the prop armorer tells them to do.”
“When that person who was charged with that job handed me the weapon, I trusted them” he continued. “And I never had a problem, ever.”
Halls told investigators in a sworn affidavit that Gutierrez-Reed opened the firearm used by Baldwin, but he could only remember seeing "three rounds" and that "he should have checked all of them, but didn't, and couldn't recall if Gutierrez-Reed spun the drum." Halls also told investigators he didn't know there were any live rounds in the firearm he gave to Baldwin, according to the affidavit.
Baldwin maintained that he would never misuse a gun on set. He reiterated that he was only following Hutchins’ direction and trusting Halls’ “cold gun” instruction.
"I would never point a gun at anyone and pull the trigger at them, never," Baldwin said.
“There are some who say you're never supposed to point a gun on anyone on a set no matter what,” Stephanopoulos said.
“Unless the person is the cinematographer who's directing me at where to point the gun for her camera angle,” Baldwin said. “That's exactly what happened.”
Criticism of Baldwin has come from fellow actors, some of whom shared their own protocol using weapons while filming. George Clooney said recently that, “Every single time I’m handed a gun on a set -- every time they had me a gun -- I look at it, I open it, I show it to the person I’m pointing it to. We show it to the crew.”
Baldwin took issue with Clooney’s thinly veiled jab, calling it “misplaced.”
“There were a lot of people who felt it necessary to contribute some comment to the situation, which really didn't help the situation at all,” he said. “If your protocol is you checking the gun every time, well, good for you. Good for you.”
“My protocol was to trust the person that had the job,” he continued. “And it worked up until this point.”
“What is the actor's responsibility?” Stephanopoulos pressed.
“That's a tough question,” Baldwin said. “Because the actor's responsibility going this day forward is very different than it was the day before that … I did the same thing that day that I did all the other days we were shooting.”
Santa Fe District Attorney Mary Carmack-Altwiestold ABC Newsthat criminal charges regarding the incident were "on the table."
Baldwin downplayed his exposure to criminal charges.
“I've been told by people who are in the know, in terms of even inside the state, that it's highly unlikely that I would be charged with anything criminally,” he said.
The personal toll
“Do you feel guilt?” Stephanopoulos asked.
“No. no,” Baldwin said. “I might have killed myself if I thought I was responsible, and I don't say that lightly,”
The incident nonetheless left him scarred, he said, and continues to weigh on him.
“I have dreams about this constantly now,” Baldwin said. “I go through my day, and I make it through the day. Then I collapse at the end of the day. Emotionally, I collapse.”
Hutchins’ death has also made him question whether he wants to continue making films, he said, and said he “can’t imagine” ever doing a movie with guns in it again.
“I couldn't give a s--- about my career anymore,” he said.
“Is it over?” Stephanopoulos asked.
“Well, it could be,” Baldwin said.
After the shooting, Baldwin said he had the chance to meet Hutchins’ widower, Matthew, and her 9-year-old son.
“I didn't know what to say,” Baldwin said. “[Matthew] hugged [me] and he goes, like, ‘I suppose you and I are going to go through this together,’ he said. And I thought, ‘Well, not as much as you are.’”
For Hutchins’ family’s sake and the sake of his own emotional well-being, Baldwin said he wants answers. He repeatedly alluded to his interest in the criminal investigation underway, saying he eagerly awaits its results.
Until then, he said, all he can do is reflect.
“You said you're not a victim,” Stephanopoulos said. “But is this the worst thing that's ever happened to you?
“Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah,” Baldwin replied. “Because think back, and I think of what could I have done?”
