弗吉尼亚州民主党参议员乔·曼钦重申了他的呼吁在星期天对3.5万亿美元的预算决议进行战略性暂停伯尼·桑德斯，I-Vt。由于需要通过两党基础设施和预算和解法案，这一数字翻了一番。
曼钦告诉美国广播公司《本周》主播乔治·斯特凡诺普洛斯:“紧迫性——我不明白为什么我们不能花时间来考虑这个问题并开展工作。
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参议院预算委员会主席桑德斯告诉斯特凡诺普洛斯，他相信这两项法案都将获得通过。
“我认为我们会解决的，但如果这两项法案都被否决，这对美国人民来说真的是一个可怕的耻辱，”桑德斯在曼钦之后的采访中说。
在两党基础设施和预算和解法案上，@SenSanders告诉@ GStephanopoulos:“我认为我们会解决的，但如果这两项法案都被否决，这对美国人民来说将是一个可怕的耻辱。”https://t.co/1DwJ9KJx62pic.twitter.com/JcfJoZ2qhh
—本周(@本周ABC)2021年9月12日
预算决议呼吁投资在气候变化政策、儿童保育和其他社会项目上，比两党基础设施法案的范围更广，该法案包括改善国家物质基础设施的措施。
曼钦和另一位温和的民主党人、参议员克里斯滕·西内马(Kyrsten Sinema)是平分秋色的参议院的关键票——民主党人需要全部50票才能通过预算和解。Sinema也对该法案的价格标签表示担忧。
参议院委员会向参议院多数党领袖查克·舒默和桑德斯提交立法草案的暂定截止日期是周三，众议院议长南希·佩洛西表示，两党定于9月27日就基础设施一揽子计划进行投票。但曼钦认为，没有必要最快在下周通过预算方案。
曼钦说:“没有人说他们正在失去福利，因为他们将延长到明年。“为什么我们要赶这一周?”
。@Sen_JoeManchin告诉@ GStephanopoulos3.5万亿美元预算决议的战略性暂停是必要的。“我不明白为什么我们不能花时间来考虑这个问题并开展工作。”https://t.co/5MVqB5aSvXpic.twitter.com/3Lu1SpqXt8
—本周(@本周ABC)2021年9月12日
这位温和的民主党人写了一篇文章论坛版在9月2日的《华尔街日报》上呼吁对预算决议进行“战略暂停”，这是民主党上月通过的第一步。
许多进步人士批评曼钦呼吁战略暂停，并表示，如果没有预算法案，他们不会投票通过两党基础设施法案，这将使基础设施法案岌岌可危。桑德斯在一份声明中重申了这一点自录音再现装置发出的高音周六晚上:“没有3.5万亿美元的和解法案，就没有基础设施法案。”
两党基础设施协议的主要谈判者曼钦表示，他乐观地认为，即使进步人士不投票支持两党基础设施法案，共和党人也可能会提供足够的支持来通过该法案。
斯特凡诺普洛斯问曼钦是否担心，如果他投票反对经济法案，他可能会搁置两党的基础设施法案。曼钦说，他“恭敬地不同意”桑德斯的观点。
“我从来没有想过我们的目的——我们在立法方面取得的进展基本上是将一方作为另一方的人质，”曼钦回应道。“你们在政治上有史以来最恶劣的氛围下提出了一项两党法案。”
曼钦补充说:“如果你所在的州不需要修桥或修路，我在西弗吉尼亚州就需要。“我已经得到了我们在两党基础设施法案中已经解决的所有问题，这就是紧急情况。”
当被问及如何直接回应曼钦关于民主党人不应该拿基础设施一揽子计划作为和解法案的人质的论点时，桑德斯告诉斯特凡诺普洛斯，“相反的情况是真的，也许曼钦参议员拿和解法案作为人质。”
“我碰巧认为乔·曼钦是对的，物质基础设施非常重要，”桑德斯说。“但我恰好认为，我们国家的人类、工薪家庭、儿童、老人、穷人的需求更为重要，我们能够也必须做到这两点。”
。@SenSanders告诉@ GStephanopoulos在两党基础设施计划的辩论中，“也许曼钦参议员拿和解法案当人质”。“这两项法案正在一起进行……我们可以也必须两者兼顾。”https://t.co/ILUHD6h3dipic.twitter.com/3dboOgQBkf
—本周(@本周ABC)2021年9月12日
斯特凡诺普洛斯向曼钦追问账单的理想价位。
“你的底线是什么?暂停应该持续多长时间?在最终和解法案中，你最愿意接受的是什么?”斯特凡诺普洛斯问道。
对此，曼钦只表示，他确实投票支持使用和解，这是国会调整预算的一种手段，包括通过税收支出，因为他反对特朗普政府时期实施的2017年减税政策。公司利率从35%降至21%，增加了超过1万亿美元的国债。
曼钦说:“我投票赞成继续和解，因为我认为2017年的税法是向高端富人倾斜的。“我认为我们需要做出一些调整，但我不会对我想花多少钱做出调整。”
曼钦重申了他对通胀和增加国债的担忧。拜登政府希望将利率提高到28%，以支付该法案的费用，但曼钦此前曾表示，他不想超过25%。
曼钦补充说:“我将对我认为保持我们竞争力的东西进行税收调整，看看全球税率，看看我们正在做的事情，确保富人在付费，确保所有公司都在付费，以获得在美国做生意的特权。”。
当被问及他对3.5万亿美元预算决议的担忧时，@Sen_JoeManchin告诉@ GStephanopoulos他在国会的同事们对通货膨胀谈得还不够。“为什么这一周我们要赶时间?”https://t.co/EsyloTbDaJpic.twitter.com/ZlyNyDXPi2
—本周(@本周ABC)2021年9月12日
桑德斯强调了和解法案的范围，认为民调显示，现在是国会通过这两项法案应对这些挑战的时候了。
桑德斯说:“工薪家庭负担不起照顾孩子的费用，年轻人上不起大学。“最重要的是，科学界告诉我们，我们正在研究一种灾难性危机就气候而言——俄勒冈州在燃烧，加利福尼亚州在燃烧。"
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“我认为我们可以做到所有这些，”桑德斯补充道。“我们可以做实体基础设施。我们可以制定和解法案，创造数百万个好工作，最后告诉美国人民，我们将为工薪家庭挺身而出。”
斯特凡诺普洛斯向桑德斯施压，要求其在参议院获得微弱的民主党多数席位。
“参议院没有犯错的余地。如果你投反对票，它就不会通过。如果曼钦参议员投票反对，就不会通过。我的意思是——所以，如果你们都坚持自己的立场，你们很可能会一无所获，”斯特凡诺普洛斯说。
“这是一种可能性，我认为这对美国人民来说将是一场灾难，”桑德斯回应道。“但你有美国总统，你有众议院和参议院的领导权……你知道，这不是乔·曼钦对伯尼·桑德斯。”
桑德斯补充说，“真正的危险”是基础设施法案不会在众议院通过，因为一些进步的民主党人承诺，除非预算法案也摆在桌面上，否则不会投票支持该法案。
最终，桑德斯表示，他对这些法案的前景感到乐观，并指出美国救援计划法案的成功通过，这是拜登首次在立法上取得重大胜利，为刺激支付和冠状病毒经济救济拨款1.9万亿美元。
桑德斯说:“我们(在美国救援计划号上)一起工作，我们做到了，我认为我们将再次这样做。
Manchin, Sanders at odds over $3.5 trillion budget resolution
Sen. Joe Manchin, D-W.Va., reiterated his callon Sundayfor a strategic pause on the $3.5 trillion budget resolution, while Sen.Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., doubled down on the need to pass both the bipartisan infrastructure and budget reconciliation bills.
"The urgency -- I can't understand why we can't take time to deliberate on this and work," Manchin told ABC "This Week" anchor George Stephanopoulos.
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Sanders, the Senate Budget Committee chairman, told Stephanopoulos that he believes both bills will be passed.
"I think we're gonna work it out, but it would really be a terrible, terrible shame for the American people if both bills went down," Sanders said in an interview that followed Manchin.
On the bipartisan infrastructure and budget reconciliation bills,@SenSanderstells@GStephanopoulos: “I think we're gonna work it out, but it would really be a terrible, terrible shame for the American people if both bills went down."https://t.co/1DwJ9KJx62pic.twitter.com/JcfJoZ2qhh
— This Week (@ThisWeekABC)September 12, 2021
The budget resolutioncalls for investmentsin climate change policy, childcare and other social programs, and is wider in scope than the bipartisan infrastructure bill, which includes measures to improve the nation’s physical infrastructure.
Manchin and Sen. Kyrsten Sinema, D-Ariz., another moderate Democrat, are key votes in the evenly divided Senate -- Democrats need all 50 votes to pass the budget reconciliation. Sinema has also expressed concern over the price tag of the bill.
The tentative deadline for Senate committees to turn in their draft legislation to Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer and Sanders is Wednesday and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said a bipartisan vote on the infrastructure package is scheduled on Sept. 27. But Manchin argued there is no need to pass a budget package as soon as next week.
"No one is saying they're losing their benefits, because they're going to extend up through next year," Manchin said. "Why are we rushing for this one week?"
.@Sen_JoeManchintells@GStephanopoulosthat a strategic pause on the $3.5 trillion budget resolution is necessary. "I can't understand why we can't take time to deliberate on this and work."https://t.co/5MVqB5aSvXpic.twitter.com/3Lu1SpqXt8
— This Week (@ThisWeekABC)September 12, 2021
The moderate Democrat wrote anop-edin the Wall Street Journal on Sept. 2 calling for a "strategic pause" on the budget resolution that Democrats took the first step in passing last month.
Many progressives have criticized Manchin over his calls for a strategic pause and have said they will not vote to pass the bipartisan infrastructure bill without the budget bill, putting the infrastructure bill in jeopardy. Sanders reiterated that point in atweetSaturday night: "No infrastructure bill without the $3.5 trillion reconciliation bill."
Manchin, a key negotiator on the bipartisan infrastructure deal, has said he is optimistic that even if progressives don't vote for the bipartisan infrastructure bill that there could be enough support from Republicans to pass it.
Stephanopoulos asked if Manchin is concerned he may hold up the bipartisan infrastructure bill if he votes against the economic bill. Manchin said he "respectfully disagrees" with Sanders.
"I never thought the purposes of our -- the progress that we make in legislation was basically hold one hostage over the other," Manchin responded. "You have a bipartisan bill in the most toxic atmosphere that we have ever had politically."
"If you don't need bridges fixed or roads fixed in your state, I do in West Virginia," Manchin added. "I have got all the problems that we have addressed in the bipartisan infrastructure bill, and that's the one that has the emergency."
Asked to respond directly to Manchin's argument that Democrats should not hold the infrastructure package hostage to the reconciliation bill, Sanders told Stephanopoulos "the converse is true, that maybe Sen. Manchin is holding the reconciliation bill hostage."
"I happen to think that Joe Manchin is right, physical infrastructure is terribly important," Sanders said. "But I happen to think that the needs of the human beings of our country, working families, the children, the elderly, the poor are even more important, and we can and must do both."
.@SenSanderstells@GStephanopoulosthat “maybe Senator Manchin is holding the reconciliation bill hostage” amid debates on bipartisan infrastructure plan. “Both bills are going together … We can and must do both.”https://t.co/ILUHD6h3dipic.twitter.com/3dboOgQBkf
— This Week (@ThisWeekABC)September 12, 2021
Stephanopoulos pressed Manchin on his ideal price point for the bill.
"What's your bottom line? How long should the pause last? And what's the most you would accept in a final reconciliation bill?" Stephanopoulos asked.
In response, Manchin only said that he did vote to use reconciliation, a means for Congress to adjust budgets including through tax spending, because he was opposed to the 2017 tax cuts implemented under the Trump administration. Corporate rates were slashed from 35% to 21%, adding over $1 trillion to the national debt.
"I voted to go on reconciliation because I believed that the 2017 tax codes were weighted to the high-end wealthy," Manchin said. "I thought we needed to make some adjustments, but I'm not going to make adjustments on how much I want to spend."
Manchin reaffirmed his concerns about inflation and adding to the national debt. The Biden administration wants to raise rates back up to 28% to cover the cost of the bill, but Manchin has previously said he does not want to go above 25%.
"I'm going to make the tax adjustments on what I think keeps us competitive, looking at the global rates, looking at things that we're doing, making sure the wealthy are paying, making sure all corporations are paying something to have the privilege of doing business in America," Manchin added.
When pressed about his concern regarding the $3.5 trillion budget resolution,@Sen_JoeManchintells@GStephanopoulosthat his colleagues in Congress aren’t talking enough about inflation.“Why are we rushing it for this one week?”https://t.co/EsyloTbDaJpic.twitter.com/ZlyNyDXPi2
— This Week (@ThisWeekABC)September 12, 2021
Sanders emphasized the scope of the reconciliation bill, arguing that polling has shown now is the time for Congress to tackle these challenges through passing both bills.
"Working families cannot afford child care for their kids, young people cannot afford to go to college," Sanders said. "And then on top of all of that, the scientific community is telling us that we're looking at acataclysmic crisisin terms of climate -- Oregon is burning, California is burning."
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"I think we can do all of this," Sanders added. "We can do the physical infrastructure. We can do the reconciliation bill, create millions of good jobs, and finally tell the American people that we are going to stand up for working families."
Stephanopoulos pressed Sanders on the slim Democratic majority in the Senate.
"There's no margin for error in the Senate. If you vote against it, it doesn't pass. If Sen. Manchin votes against it, it doesn't pass. I mean -- so, you're likely, if you both stick to your positions, you're going to end up with nothing," Stephanopoulos said.
"That is a possibility, and I think that would be a disaster for the American people," Sanders responded. "But you've got the president of the United States, you've got leadership in the House and the Senate … you know, this is not Joe Manchin versus Bernie Sanders."
Sanders added that the "real danger" is that the infrastructure bill will not pass in the House, as some progressive Democrats have pledged to not vote for it unless the budget bill is on the table as well.
Ultimately Sanders said he is optimistic about the bills’ prospects, pointing to the successful passage of the American Rescue Plan, Biden’s first major legislative victory granting $1.9 trillion to stimulus payments and coronavirus economic relief.
"We worked together (on the American Rescue Plan), we did, and I think we're going to do it again," Sanders said.
