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两党合作是投票改革成功的关键

2021-03-29 12:59   美国新闻网   - 

阿拉斯加州参议员丹·沙利文(Dan Sullivan)周日在美国广播公司(ABC)的“本周”节目中说,两党的努力是投票权改革成功的关键,因为在国会达成一致的希望渺茫,要求取消阻挠议案的呼声越来越高。

沙利文告诉《本周》联合主持人乔纳森·卡尔:“我认为就投票权、投票完整性、投票渠道进行讨论非常重要。”。

但沙利文表示,目前围绕投票权的两党对话很难进行,因为当国会有人反对民主党在这个问题上的法案H.R. 1时,它就变成了“一种指控,即我们在某种程度上支持吉姆·克劳式的政策。”

“这无助于推进问题。无助于带来团结。这无助于将两党合作的性质带到这里,”他继续说道。

推动为了人民法案该法案旨在消除投票障碍,改革金钱在政治中的作用,并收紧联邦道德规则国会民主党人正试图反击尝试在共和党领导的州立法机构中限制投票权在2020年大选后,前总统唐纳德·特朗普(Donald Trump)领导的许多共和党人以安全为名,推行虚假的选举理论。在佐治亚州,州长布赖恩·肯普(Brian Kemp)周四签署了一项法案,将对选举法进行全面修改,影响选民、地方选举管理人员和监督选举的委员会。

卡尔敦促沙利文在43个州努力限制投票。

“为什么共和党人似乎认为,在这个时候,他们想要更少的人投票——正确的做法是让更少的人在我们的选举中投票?”他问道。

沙利文回避了卡尔的问题,但表示,鉴于选举管理历来由各州负责,联邦投票改革成为争论的问题是不寻常的。

他说:“当你回顾我们国家的历史时,除非得到两党的大力支持,否则各州的个人投票问题通常不是带来重大两党国家联邦立法的原因——动力。”“所以我认为这是目前众议院的佩洛西法案的关键问题,不仅没有共和党人的支持,也没有许多民主党人的支持。所以,这里的关键问题还是在于两党合作。”

沙利文说,移民改革是另一个需要两党协商并做出回应的问题关于的评论白宫通讯主任凯特·贝丁菲尔德在本周早些时候接受采访时说,拜登已经明确表示边境暂时关闭。

在最近与参议院共和党会议的大部分时间一起前往南部边境之后,他说,乔·拜登总统和贺锦丽副总统需要去“看看我们看到了什么,听听我们从前线官员那里听到了什么。”

“但现在是开放边境,”沙利文说。“这是一场我们需要解决的人道主义和公共卫生危机。”

卡尔还询问了这位参议员1月6日国会大厦暴力事件的后果,因为联邦当局继续起诉那些通过突袭大楼参与暴力事件的人。特朗普最近表示,他觉得与会者正在受到“迫害”。

“这是DOJ试图指控进入国会大厦的人吗,这是迫害还是合法的起诉?”他问道。

沙利文不同意这位前总统的描述,但他说,他认为重要的是,那些出席并保持和平的人不要让他们的声誉“受损”。

沙利文说:“这是关键问题,这是一个非常重要的区别:犯下暴力行为的人——我从暴力发生的那一刻起就谴责了暴力行为——应该受到充分起诉。”“我认为,绝大多数美国人,无论是民主党人还是共和党人,都完全同意这一点,毫无疑问。”

那天的暴力事件最终导致众议院以煽动叛乱罪起诉特朗普,这导致了历史上最大的两党弹劾投票。该措施在参议院失败,但苏利文的家乡州同事、温和派参议员莉萨·穆尔科斯基投票弹劾总统。

她的投票导致阿拉斯加共和党在国内的谴责,以及特朗普和该州发誓他们会这样做试图将她赶下台当她明年竞选连任时。

沙利文说,当她再次参加投票时,他会支持她。

沙利文在谈到去年的竞选时说:“穆尔科斯基参议员是我的坚定支持者,我们非常坚定地赢得了连任。”。

“听着,我们不是在所有事情上都意见一致,但我们是阿拉斯加的好团队,”他补充道。“如果穆尔科斯基参议员再次参选,我会支持她。”

Bipartisanship key to successful voting reform: GOP Sen. Dan Sullivan

Bipartisan efforts are the key to successful voting rights reform, Sen. Dan Sullivan, R-Alaska, said Sunday on ABC's "This Week," as hopes for reaching across the aisle in Congress falter and calls for removing the filibuster grow louder.

"I think it's really important to have this discussion on voting rights, on voting integrity, on access to the ballot," Sullivan told "This Week" co-anchor Jonathan Karl.

But Sullivan said a bipartisan conversation surrounding voting rights is difficult right now because when someone in Congress has opposed H.R. 1, the Democrats' bill on the issue, it turns into "an accusation that somehow we're supporting Jim Crow-like policies."

"It doesn't help advance the issue. It doesn't help bring unity. It doesn't help bring a bipartisan nature to this," he continued.

Pushing theFor the People Act-- which seeks to abolish hurdles to voting, reform the role of money in politics and tighten federal ethics rules -- congressional Democrats are trying tocounter attemptsin Republican-led state legislatures torestrict voting rightsin the name of security after many in the GOP, led by former President Donald Trump, pushed false election theories following the 2020 election. In Georgia, Gov. Brian Kemp signed a bill Thursday that will make sweeping changes to election law, impacting voters, local election administrators and the board overseeing elections.

Karl pressed Sullivan on the efforts in 43 states to restrict access to the ballot.

"Why is it that Republicans seem to believe, at this moment in time, that they want fewer people to vote -- that the right thing to do is to have fewer people voting in our elections?" he asked.

Sullivan dodged Karl's question, but said that it is unusual for federal voting reform to become an issue of contention, given that the administration of elections is historically left to the states.

"When you look at the history in our country, individual voting issues in states is not normally the reason -- the impetus -- to bring major bipartisan national federal legislation, unless there is strong bipartisan support for this," he said. "And so I think that's the key issue in right now, H.R.1, the Pelosi bill from the House, not only doesn't have support from Republicans, it doesn't have support from many Democrats. So again the key issue here is to work on this issue in a bipartisan nature."

Sullivan said immigration reform is another issue which warrants bipartisan negotiation and responded tocomments made aboutthe crisis at the southern border by White House Communications Director Kate Bedingfield, who said in an earlier interview on "This Week" that Biden has made clear the borders are closed for the time being.

Following a recent trip to the southern border with much of the Senate GOP conference, he said President Joe Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris need to go and "see what we saw, to hear what we heard from officials who are on the front lines."

"But right now it is open borders," Sullivan said. "It's a humanitarian, and public health crisis that we need to address."

Karl also asked the senator about the fallout from the violence at the Capitol on Jan. 6, as federal authorities continue to prosecute those who took part in that violence by storming the building. Trump recently said that he felt those in attendance were being "persecuted."

"Is this DOJ effort to charge the people that went into the Capitol, is that -- is that persecution or is that rightful prosecution?" he asked.

Sullivan disagreed with the characterization from the former president, but said that he believes it is important that those who were in attendance and were peaceful not have their reputations "tarnished."

"Here's the key issue, and it's a really important distinction: The people who committed violence -- and I condemned that violence from the minute it started happening -- should be fully prosecuted," Sullivan said. "I think the vast majority of Americans, Democrats and Republicans, fully agree with that, no doubt about it."

The violence that day ultimately led to the House of Representatives pursuing a charge of incitement of insurrection against Trump, which led to the most bipartisan impeachment vote in history. The measure failed in the Senate, but Sullivan's home state colleague, moderate Sen. Lisa Murkowski, voted to impeach the president.

Her vote led to a censure at home by the Alaska GOP and a vow from Trump and the state party that they wouldattempt to unseat herwhen she up for reelection next year.

Sullivan said he will support her when she is on the ballot again.

"Sen. Murkowski was a strong supporter of mine and we won that reelection, very strongly," Sullivan said of his campaign last year.

"Look we don't agree on everything, but we make a good team for Alaska," he added. "If Sen. Murkowski runs again, I'm going to support her."

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