共和党众议员汤姆·里德是问题解决者核心小组的成员,他说,他将支持对像佐治亚州众议员一样重复暴力言论的众议院议员进行制裁。马乔里·泰勒·格林他在网上表示支持处决著名的国会民主党人。
“我将支持领导层在这件事上采取他们认为合适的制裁,”里德在美国广播公司新闻的“权力政治”播客中说。“我希望他们真的采取措施,发出这是不可接受的信息。我希望我的左派同事们也能像那些担任左派领导职务的人一样,做出这种极端言论。”
里德告诉美国广播公司新闻政治主任里克·克莱因和首席华盛顿记者乔纳森·卡尔,虽然成员是被选举来代表他们的选民,但他们也必须代表整个共和党。
“我不认识她,”里德谈到格林时说。“但我已经表达了对我和她一起看到的言论和信息的担忧,我希望一些人能和她谈谈。据我所知,也许领导阶层会和她交谈,因为当人们来到华盛顿特区时,其中一件事是值得关注的——我很欣赏这种热情,...我想做的是认识到,当你代表人民,当你是代表时,你所做的也代表了我们共和党人——作为一个整体。你怎么做,就怎么做,我们都得负责。”
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2021年1月6日,众议员马乔里·泰勒·格林坐在华盛顿的众议院会议厅。
里德说,他认为民主党人也有类似的问题,他指的是进步“班”的成员。
卡尔以纽约州亚历山大·奥卡西奥-科尔特斯众议员为例,反驳了这一说法。
“但你没见过阿拉伯石油公司建议处决国会议员,”卡尔说。“处决国会议员?我没见过。”
里德回应道,“我见过一些极端的说辞。我在网上看到过一些极端的言论。”
“我不会和你争论什么样的行为是可以接受的,什么样的行为是成员不能接受的。我要说的是,任何极端的言辞,比如你刚才从我的共和党同事那里表达出来的,都是令人不快的。太骇人听闻了。不能接受。在过道的两边。这是不可接受的,”他继续说道。“作为成员,我们有责任让美国人民认识到,我们必须做得更好。我从最响亮的山顶谴责这是不可接受的。我鼓励我在过道两边的成员,在他们自己的房子里和过道对面,你们需要一起谴责它,站在一起谴责它,说它是不可接受的。”
里德自奥巴马政府以来一直是国会议员,他告诉克莱因和卡尔,妥协和以往一样重要,但他对乔·拜登总统在执政初期发布的一系列行政命令并不感到惊讶。
“老实说,这没有帮助,”里德谈到行政命令时说。“但经历了奥巴马政府、特朗普政府和现在的拜登政府,我认识到选举会产生后果,行政命令是这些后果的一部分。”
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“正如我以前告诉行政部门的那样,我也告诉我的同事们,行政命令所能做的事,行政命令也能取消。这就是为什么这是一种可怕的治国方式——使国家四分五裂的曲折方式,”他补充道。“在老式订婚仪式上做吧。妥协不是一个脏字,努力去完成它。”
里德是国会问题解决者核心小组的58名成员之一致力于谈判围绕拜登的1.9万亿美元冠状病毒救助计划。
“我们已经与白宫举行了多次会议,我要告诉你,我接受他们的承诺,他们说,‘我们会与你会面。我们会和你谈的。“我们会听你的,”因此,让我们看看接下来的几个星期这将如何展开。但我认为他们正从多方面来看待这个问题,看看他们必须做些什么才能完成一些事情。"
里德说,成员们准备“真诚地”与白宫合作,推进谈判,但9000亿美元的一揽子计划中的一些资金尚未从“华盛顿特区的金库”中拿出来。
“所以我们必须看看我们的立场,”里德补充道。“我认为,人们普遍认识到,众议院和参议院要想通过一项和解法案,至少需要六周——八周,因为参议院的分歧很小,意见不一。但与此同时,我鼓励拜登政府考虑的是,我们能立即达成什么协议?”
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众议员汤姆·里德与一群两党议员一起参加新闻发布会,公布一项公关计划
克莱因要求里德详细说明与前总统唐纳德·特朗普相比,拜登白宫的外联和合作是什么样子的。
里德说,拜登作为国会议员的历史使他重视建立关系。
“我认为拜登总统一直是参议院的一员...享受这些关系,”里德说。“因此,我很高兴看到我们继续特朗普政府的做法,即接触和发展关系,将这些成员带到白宫。”
投票反对弹劾特朗普的里德说,他支持所有成员凭良心投票,包括怀俄明州的第三号众议院共和党众议员利兹·切尼(Liz Cheney),她现在面临着她的会议一些成员的责难。
“谈到弹劾,正如我告诉我的同事们的那样,当我在那次会议上站在他们面前时,这将是一次良心投票,就像选举团的投票一样。但是如果你把这一刻用于政治——马基雅维利式的政治——我谴责他们。”
里德补充说:“这是我们历史上的一个关键时刻,我们必须超越政治,着眼于什么对国家有利。”。“我认为我们的共和党足够强大——我知道这一点——能够有不同的意见,让议员们凭良心投票。我们可以度过难关,当我们渡过难关时,我们会团结起来,变得更加强大。会很难看的。这将是一场即将发生的战斗。”
里德说,是时候让他的同事们抛开政治争论,弥合全国的分歧了。
“如果我们参与政治,让我们把它抛在脑后。...让我们领导一个团结的共和党。倾听特朗普的选民,倾听他们的愤怒,倾听他们的沮丧,让我们尽快度过难关。但这需要时间,我们不仅要治愈党的创伤,还要领导国家治愈一个破碎国家的创伤,”他说。
GOP Rep. Reed would support sanctions against colleagues who use extreme rhetoric
Rep. Tom Reed, R-N.Y., a member of the Problem Solvers Caucus, said that he would support sanctions against members of the House who repeat violent rhetoric, like Georgia Rep.Marjorie Taylor Greene, who expressed support online for executing prominent congressional Democrats.
"I'll support sanctions by the leadership that they feel appropriate in this matter," Reed said on ABC News' "Powerhouse Politics" podcast. "And I hope they do take measures that will send the message that this is unacceptable. And I would hope my colleagues on the left will do the same thing -- as those that hold posts of leadership on the left -- that engaged in this extreme rhetoric."
Reed told ABC News Political Director Rick Klein and Chief Washington Correspondent Jonathan Karl that while members are elected to represent their constituents, they also have to represent the Republican Party as a whole.
"I don't know her," Reed said of Greene. "But I've expressed concern about the rhetoric and the information that I'm seeing with her, and I would hope some folks would maybe talk with her. And maybe leadership, as my understanding, is going to be talking to her, because one of the things that is concerning when you have folks that come to D.C. -- and I appreciate the passion, ... what I try to do is just recognize that when you represent folks and when you're a representative, what you do is also representative of us as Republicans -- as a whole. What you do in regards to how you do it, we all have to answer for."
Reed said he believes that Democrats have a similar problem, pointing to members of the progressive "Squad."
Karl pushed back on that statement, using Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D-N.Y., as an example.
"But you haven't seen AOC suggesting executing fellow members of Congress," Karl said. "Executing members of Congress? I haven't seen that."
Reed responded, "I've seen some extreme rhetoric. I've seen some extreme rhetoric posted on the internet."
"And I'm not going to get into this battle with you as to what behavior is acceptable and what is not acceptable by members. And I will say any rhetoric that is of that extreme nature, like what you just articulated from my colleague on the Republican side is offensive. It's appalling. It cannot be accepted. And where I see it on both sides of the aisle. That's unacceptable," he continued. "We, as members, owe it to the American people to recognize that we have to do better than that. And I condemn it from the loudest of mountaintops that that is not acceptable. And I encourage my members on both sides of the aisle, in their own House and across the aisle, you need to condemn it together and stand together to condemn it and say it's unacceptable."
Reed, who has been a member of Congress since the Obama administration, told Klein and Karl that compromise is as important as ever, but he isn't surprised at the flurry of executive orders from President Joe Biden at the beginning of his administration.
"It's not helpful, to be honest with you," Reed said of the executive orders. "But having been through Obama's administration, Trump's administration and now Biden's administration, I recognize that the elections have consequences and executive orders are part of those consequences."
"And as I've told the administrations before, and I told my colleagues, what can be done by executive order can be undone by executive order. That's why that is a terrible way to govern the nation -- the zig-zag approach that tears the country apart," he added. "Do it on the old fashioned engagement. Compromise is not a dirty word and try to get it done."
Reed is one of 58 members of the congressional Problem Solvers Caucus, which isworking on negotiationssurrounding Biden's $1.9 trillion coronavirus relief package.
"We've had multiple meetings with the White House, and I will tell you, I take their commitment that they said, 'We'll meet with you. We'll talk with you. We'll listen to you.' And so let's see how this unfolds over the next few weeks," he said. "But I think they're looking at it from a multi-prong approach to see what they have to do in order to get something done."
Reed said members are ready to work in "good faith" with the White House on pushing forward with negotiations, but some of the money from the $900 billion package hasn't made it out of "the coffers of Washington, D.C., yet."
"So we've got to see where we stand," Reed added. "I think there's broad recognition that it's going to take six weeks -- eight weeks at a minimum, to get a reconciliation bill through the House and Senate because it's so divided on a narrow margin, equally divided in the Senate. But in the meantime, what I encourage the Biden administration to consider is what can we agree upon immediately?"
Klein asked Reed to elaborate on what outreach and collaboration looks like from the Biden White House in comparison to former President Donald Trump's.
Reed said Biden's history as a member of Congress leads him to place an emphasis on building relationships.
"I think President Biden was always a man of the Senate ... enjoys those relationships," Reed said. "And so I'm glad to see us continuing on the Trump administration's practice of reaching out and developing relationships to bring these members to the White House."
Reed, who voted against impeaching Trump, said he supported all members voting with their conscience, including No. 3 House Republican Rep. Liz Cheney of Wyoming, who is now facing censure efforts from some members of her conference.
"When it came to impeachment, as I told my colleagues, when I stood in front of them on that conference, this is going to be a vote of conscience, just as the vote on the Electoral College is. But if you're using this moment for politics -- Machiavellian politics -- I condemn them."
"This is a critical moment in our history that we have to look beyond politics and look at what's good for the country," Reed added. "And I think our Republican Party is strong enough -- I know it is -- to have the difference of opinions, where members vote their conscience. And we can get through it, and we will become united and we'll become stronger when we get through this. It's going to be ugly. It's going to be a fight that's going to occur."
Reed said it's time for his colleagues to put political arguments behind them in order to heal divisions across the nation.
"And if we're engaging in politics, let's put it behind us. ... Let's lead with a Republican Party that's united. Listen to the Trump voters, listen to their anger, listen to their frustration and let us get through this as quick as we possibly can. But it's going to take time and we're going to have to not only heal the wounds of the party, but let's lead the country in healing the wounds of a broken country," he said.