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乔·拜登市政厅:核实民主党候选人的答案

2020-09-18 12:21   美国新闻网   - 

乔·拜登这位民主党总统候选人和前副总统,周四出现在由CNN主办的宾夕法尼亚州穆西奇市政厅。

他跟随总统出现唐纳德·特朗普美国广播公司新闻市政厅随着未表态的选民周二晚上在费城。

PHOTO: Democratic presidential nominee and former Vice President Joe Biden holds a roundtable discussion with veterans at Hillsborough Community College in Tampa, Florida, Sept. 15, 2020.

Leah Millis/路透社

2020年9月15日,佛罗里达州坦帕市希尔斯堡社区学院,民主党总统候选人、前副总统乔·拜登与退伍军人举行圆桌讨论会。

拜登错报了司法部长关于奴隶制、封锁的评论

拜登的声明:美国有线电视新闻网的安德森·库珀要求前副总统乔·拜登回应那些“说不戴面具是个人自由”的人拜登说,“好吧,让我告诉你一些事情。你知道我——比尔·巴尔最近说的话太离谱了。这就像奴隶制。你剥夺了自由。我会告诉你什么夺走了你的自由。剥夺你自由的是看不到你的孩子,看不到足球比赛或棒球比赛,看不到你生病住院的父母,做不到这些事情。这就是我们失去自由的原因。”

事实核查:拜登似乎在引用评论者司法部长比尔·巴尔周三在密歇根希尔斯代尔学院主办的宪法日庆祝活动上。

在活动中,巴尔说,“除了奴隶制”冠状病毒封锁是“美国历史上对公民自由的最大侵犯”。司法部长的言论几乎立即遭到立法者和其他谴责他的语言的人的反击。

但是当巴尔评论病毒导致的封锁时,拜登回答了一个关于戴口罩的问题。巴尔周三没有对戴面具和奴隶制进行任何比较。

拜登试图提请人们注意巴尔的言论,因为这与美国历史不符——这与司法部长收到的大部分批评相呼应。

后来在市政厅,在库珀问他这些话后,拜登再次引用了这些话——但错误地说巴尔说封锁等同于奴隶制;巴尔说奴隶制更糟糕。

“坦率地说,他们病了,”拜登谈到这些评论时说。“想想吧。你们有没有想过,你们中的任何一个人,你们会听到司法部长说,遵循科学界的建议来拯救你和其他人的生命相当于奴隶制?”

PHOTO: Democratic presidential candidate former Vice President Joe Biden speaks during the fourth day of the Democratic National Convention at the Chase Center in Wilmington, Del., Aug. 20, 2020.

安德鲁·哈尔尼克/美联社档案

民主党总统候选人前副总统乔·拜登在民主党全国代表大会的第四天在德尔威尔明顿的大通中心发表讲话。,2020年8月20日。

拜登混淆了口罩影响的来源

拜登的主张:当库珀问拜登如何向所有美国人发出适当的信息,让他们了解如何适当地保护自己和他人免受这种流行病的影响时,这位前副总统说,尽管他确实有权要求普遍的口罩授权,但他会提出安全指南供各州遵循和实施。

拜登说:“我不能要求人们戴口罩,但我们刚刚被告知,如果我们预计到1月份还会有21.5万人死亡,但如果我们戴口罩,我们将拯救其中的10万人的生命。”。“他自己的疾控中心主任最近反驳了他。他说,事实上,如果你只是戴着这个面具,除了这个面具别无其他,从现在到明年1月,你将拯救另外10万人的生命。”

事实核查:疾病控制和预防中心的现任主任罗伯特·雷德菲尔德,事实上并没有声称如果美国人普遍戴口罩,10万人的生命可以得到拯救。

拜登可能指的是前疾控中心主任汤姆·弗里登发微博周一:“口罩起作用了,如果我们都戴上口罩,洗手,看着远方,美国10多万人的死亡很有可能被简单而廉价地避免。”

周三,雷德菲尔德在参议院作证时说,口罩可能是比任何潜在疫苗更有效的预防冠状病毒的措施。

拜登也可能指的是预测模型由华盛顿大学健康度量和评估研究所创建,该研究所预测,如果美国人普遍戴口罩,到2021年1月1日,将有近11.7万人可以幸免于难。

后来在市政厅,拜登似乎确实提到了IHME模式,他说到1月份可能会有另外21.5万美国人丧生。迄今为止,已有近20万美国人死亡,IHME模型目前预测,到1月份,美国共有41.5万人死于冠状病毒相关疾病。

没有常春藤联盟的学位,拜登不会是第一任总统

拜登的声明:“当你们开始在电视上谈论‘拜登,如果他赢了,他将是第一个没有常春藤联盟学位的人当选总统。’我说,‘到底是谁让你认为我需要常春藤联盟的学位才能当总统?’我没开玩笑。"

事实核查:尽管拜登提出了建议,但他不会是第一位没有常青藤联盟学位的总统,因为该国历史上有几任总统根本没有获得大学学位。

拜登将是自罗纳德·里根以来第一位没有接受过常春藤盟校教育的总统。

拜登-哈里斯票选是自1984年沃尔特·蒙代尔和杰拉尔丁·费拉罗的票选以来,第一次有两位非常青藤联盟毕业生,如果成功的话,也是自1976年吉米·卡特和蒙代尔的第一张获奖票选。

如何:2020年民主党提名确实创造了历史,参议员卡马拉·哈里斯(Kamala Harris)是历史上第一位出现在主要政党候选人名单上的黑人学院和大学毕业生。

PHOTO: Democratic U.S. presidential nominee Joe Biden answers questions from reporters  during an appearance in Wilmington, Del., Sept. 4, 2020.

凯文·拉马克/路透社,文件

美国民主党总统候选人乔·拜登在德尔威尔明顿的一次露面中回答记者的问题。,2020年9月4日。

拜登说他想发展水力压裂工业是误导

拜登声明:拜登被问及他是否会“安全地支持水力压裂的继续”和“发展该行业”。

“是的,我愿意,”拜登说,随后补充道,“我们可以让25万名钢铁工人和其他行业的人立即开始工作,支付工会工资,给那些泄漏甲烷并对社区构成威胁的油井封顶。”

事实核查:拜登支持继续水力压裂的回应准确地反映了他的环境计划,但拜登不想增加新的水力压裂。他希望远离水力压裂,最终实现净零排放。所以当他回答“发展行业”是,这是误导。

在市政厅,拜登被问及如果水力压裂导致气候变化,为什么水力压裂应该继续。他认为向清洁能源的过渡是保持人们就业的必要条件。

“水力压裂必须继续,因为我们需要一个过渡,”他说。“到2050年,我们将实现净零排放,到2035年,我们将实现净零排放。但是现在没有理由消除水力压裂,第一。第二,外面的工作,不管是IBEW工人还是钢铁工人。”

拜登的环境计划呼吁停止化石燃料补贴,并对清洁能源进行大规模投资,包括培训化石燃料工人从事清洁能源工作。

在8月的一次演讲中,拜登说,“我不是禁止水力压裂。我再说一遍。我不是禁止水力压裂,不管唐纳德·特朗普对我撒了多少次谎。”

2019年7月,拜登在一次CNN辩论在拜登政府中是否会有化石燃料的一席之地,比如煤和水力压裂。“我们会确保它被淘汰,”他回答。

拜登正确地描述了过去关于“封锁”国家的声明

拜登的主张:拜登被问及一个他最近接受了采访美国广播公司“今夜世界新闻”主播大卫·穆尔。

拜登说:“有人问我,事实上是否有国家紧急情况,每个人,所有专家都说锁定它。”。“我们不是在谈论封锁整个国家。”

事实核查:拜登公正地描述了他上个月与穆尔的交流。

“你谈谈科学。如果你在一月份宣誓就职,而且——我们有冠状病毒和流感的结合,许多科学家都说这是一种真正的可能性,你会准备好再次关闭这个国家吗?”穆尔问道。

拜登回答说:“我将做好准备,不惜一切代价拯救生命,因为在我们控制病毒之前,我们无法让这个国家运转起来。这是本届政府思维的根本缺陷。为了保持国家的运转和经济的增长,以及人们的就业,你必须修复病毒,你必须对付病毒。

“所以如果科学家说关闭它?”穆尔问道。

“我会关闭它,我会听科学家的,”拜登说。

在几周后的新闻发布会上,拜登澄清他的回答敬穆尔。

“在我看来,没有必要关闭整个经济,”他说。“大卫·穆尔问了我一个问题,如果我被要求关闭一切。我认为这是一个一般性的问题,如果——我要遵循科学吗?我将坚持——我现在坚持,没有任何权威,这个国家的每一个负责任的人,当他们在公共场合或不与他们一起生活的人群在一起时,因为他们知道他们没有把它传播给他们的丈夫、妻子等。,他们戴着面具。”

拜登接着说,他将为某些城镇和地区设定标准,并可能锁定这些城镇和地区,从而消除全国关闭的必要性,并补充说:“我们不是在说锁定整个国家。”

无论如何,州和地方官员——而不是总统——对是否关闭企业和关闭学校以及制定其他冠状病毒相关限制的大多数决定负责。

拜登错误地表示,特朗普没有谴责白人至上主义者

拜登的声明:拜登被一名退休警察局长问及“全国各城市发生的暴力事件”

拜登说:“我谴责了一切形式的暴力,不管暴力的来源是什么。”。“不管来源是什么。正如你可能已经注意到的那样,总统还没有谴责极右分子和白人至上主义者,以及那些拿着AK-47到处走却什么也没做的人。”

他补充说,“我在等着有一天他会说,‘我谴责所有那些白人至上主义者,我谴责所有那些民兵组织,就像我谴责所有其他组织结构一样。’"

事实核查:拜登说得对,特朗普最近没有谴责白人至上主义者,但特朗普过去也谴责过。

2017年弗吉尼亚州夏洛茨维尔发生暴力冲突两天后——在首次将白人至上主义者的暴力与抗议等同起来之后——特朗普说,“种族主义是邪恶的,以种族主义的名义引发暴力的人是罪犯和暴徒,包括KKK、新纳粹分子、白人至上主义者和其他仇恨团体。”

一个月后,总统签署了一项谴责白人至上的国会决议。

2019年,在德克萨斯州埃尔帕索和俄亥俄州代顿发生枪击事件后,特朗普说,“我们的国家必须用一个声音谴责种族主义、偏见和白人至上。”

“必须击败这些邪恶的意识形态。仇恨在美国没有立足之地。仇恨扭曲心灵,蹂躏心灵,吞噬灵魂,”他补充道。

尽管总统谴责了白人至上主义,但他尚未谴责他的一名支持者,他在佛罗里达州的高尔夫球车游行中大喊“白人权力”,这是他今年转发的一段视频中捕捉到的。他分享了这段视频,并感谢游行发生地佛罗里达住宅区的“伟人”,从而引发了轩然大波。

总统删除了推文几小时后。当时,白宫副新闻秘书贾德·迪尔(Judd Deere)在一份声明中表示,“特朗普总统是《村庄》的忠实粉丝。他没有听到视频中的一项声明。”

Joe Biden town hall: Fact-checking the Democratic nominee's answers

Joe Biden, the Democratic nominee for president and former vice president, appeared in a town hall held in Moosic, Pennsylvania, hosted by CNN on Thursday.

His appearance follows PresidentDonald Trump's ABC Newstown hallwithuncommitted voterson Tuesday night in Philadelphia.

Biden misstated attorney general's comment on slavery, lockdowns

BIDEN'S CLAIM: Former Vice President Joe Biden was asked by CNN's Anderson Cooper to respond to those "who say it's individual liberty to not wear a mask." Biden said, "Well let me tell you something. You know I -- What Bill Barr recently said is outrageous. That it's like slavery. You're taking away freedom. I would tell you what takes away your freedom. What takes away your freedom is not being able to see your kid, not being able to go to the football game or baseball game, not being able to see your mom or dad sick in the hospital, not being able to do the things. That's what's cost us our freedom."

FACT CHECK: Biden seemed to be referencingcomments made byAttorney General Bill Barr Wednesday at a Constitution Day celebration hosted by Michigan's Hillsdale College.

At the event, Barr said that "other than slavery" coronavirus lockdowns were "the greatest intrusion of civil liberties in American history". The attorney general's remarks got almost immediate push back from lawmakers and others who condemned his language.

But while Barr was commenting on lockdowns caused by the virus, Biden was responding to a question about wearing masks. Barr did not make any comparison between mask wearing and slavery Wednesday.

Biden was trying to call attention to Barr's comments as at odds with American history – echoing much of the criticism the attorney general received.

Later in the town hall, Biden referenced the remarks again after Cooper asked him about them -- but incorrectly said that Barr said lockdowns were equivalent to slavery; Barr said slavery was worse.

"Quite frankly, they're sick," Biden said of the comments. "Think about it. Did you ever think, any of you, you'd hear attorney general say that following the recommendations of the scientific community to save you and other people's lives is equivalent to slavery?"

Democratic presidential candidate former Vice President Joe Biden speaks during the fourth day of the Democratic National Convention at the Chase Center in Wilmington, Del., Aug. 20, 2020.

Biden mixes up source for impact of masks

BIDEN'S CLAIM: When Cooper asked how Biden will get the proper messaging out to all Americans to keep them informed as to how to properly protect themselves and others from this pandemic, the former vice president said that even though he does have the authority to require a universal mask mandate, he would propose safety guidelines for states to follow and implement.

"I cannot mandate people wearing masks, but we've just been told, if we should expect another 215,000 dead by January, but if we wore a mask, we would save 100,000 of those lives," Biden said. "His own CDC director contradicted him recently. He said if, in fact, you just wore this mask, nothing else but this mask, you would save between now and January another 100,000 lives."

FACT CHECK: The current director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Robert Redfield, has not, in fact, claimed that 100,000 lives could be saved if Americans wore masks universally.

Biden may have been referring to a former CDC director, Tom Frieden, whotweetedon Monday: "Masks work, and 100,000+ deaths in the US could quite possibly have been prevented, simply and cheaply, if we all wore masks, washed our hands, and watched our distance."

During his Senate testimony on Wednesday, Redfield did state that masks may be a more effective protection against the coronavirus than any potential vaccine.

Biden could have also been referencing aforecast modelcreated by the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation at the University of Washington, which predicted that if Americans wore masks universally, nearly 117,000 lives could be spared by Jan. 1, 2021.

Later in the town hall, Biden did appear to refer to the IHME model, saying there could be another 215,000 American lives lost by January. Nearly 200,000 Americans have died so far, and the IHME model currently projects there could be a total of 415,000 coronavirus related deaths in the U.S. by January.

Biden would not be first president without Ivy League degree

BIDEN'S CLAIM: "When you guys started talking on television about 'Biden, if he wins will be the first person without an Ivy League degree to be elected president.' I said, 'Who the hell makes you think I need an Ivy League degree to be president?' I'm not joking."

FACT CHECK: Despite his suggestion, Biden would not be the first president without an Ivy League degree, as several presidents in the country's history did not receive a college degree at all.

Biden would be the first president since Ronald Reagan to be elected president without an Ivy League education.

The Biden-Harris ticket is the first since the 1984 ticket of Walter Mondale and Geraldine Ferraro to have two non-Ivy League graduates and if successful, the first winning ticket since 1976 with Jimmy Carter and Mondale.

How about: The 2020 Democratic nominees do make history with Sen. Kamala Harris as the first graduate from a Historically Black College and University to appear on a major party ticket.

Democratic U.S. presidential nominee Joe Biden answers questions from reporters during an appearance in Wilmington, Del., Sept. 4, 2020.

Biden misleads when saying he wants to grow fracking industry

BIDEN CLAIM: Biden was asked if he'd "support the continuation of fracking safely" and "growing the industry."

"Yes, I do," Biden said, later adding, "We can put to work right away 250,000 people from the iron workers and other disciplines making union wages, capping those wells that are leaking methane and are a danger to the community."

FACT CHECK: Biden's response that he supported the continuation of fracking accurately reflected his environmental plan, but Biden doesn't want to add new fracking. He wants to move away from fracking to eventually get net-zero emissions. So when he answered yes to "growing the industry," it was misleading.

At the town hall, Biden was challenged on why fracking should continue if it contributes to climate change. He argued a transition to clear energy was necessary to keep people employed.

"Fracking has to continue because we need a transition," he said. "We're going to get to net zero emissions by 2050 and we'll get to net zero power emissions by 2035. But there is no rationale to eliminate right now fracking, number one. Number two, those jobs that are out there, whether it's a IBEW worker or whether it's an iron worker or the steel worker."

Biden's environmentalplancalls for an end to fossil fuel subsidies and for a massive investment in clean energy, including training fossil fuel workers for clean energy jobs.

During an address in August, Biden said, "I am not banning fracking. Let me say that again. I am not banning fracking, no matter how many times Donald Trump lies about me."

In July 2019, Biden was asked during aCNNdebate if there would be a place for fossil fuels, like coal and fracking, in a Biden administration. "We would make sure it's eliminated," he answered.

Biden correctly characterized past statements on 'locking down' country

BIDEN'S CLAIM: Biden was asked about arecent interview he didwith ABC "World News Tonight" Anchor David Muir.

"I was asked if, in fact, there was a national emergency, and every -- everyone -- all the experts said lock it down," Biden said. "We're not talking about locking down the whole country."

FACT CHECK: Biden fairly characterized the exchange he had with Muir last month.

"You talk about the science. If you're sworn in come January, and -- and we have coronavirus and the flu combining, which many scientists have said is a real possibility, would you be prepared to shut this country down again?" Muir asked.

Biden replied, "I will be prepared to do whatever it takes to save lives because we cannot get the country moving until we control the virus. That is the fundamental flaw of this administration's thinking to begin with. In order to keep the country running and moving and the economy growing, and people employed, you have to fix the virus, you have to deal with the virus.

"So if the scientists say shut it down?" Muir asked.

"I would shut it down, I would listen to the scientists," Biden said.

At a news conference a couple weeks later, Bidenclarified his answerto Muir.

"There's going to be no need, in my view, to be able to shut down the whole economy," he said. "I got asked by David Muir a question, if I was asked to shut everything down. I took that as a generic question if -- am I going to follow the science? I am going to insist -- and I insist now, without any authority, that every responsible person in this country, when they're out in public or not with the cohort that they have lived with because they know they haven't spread it to their husband, wife, etc., that they wear a mask."

Biden went on to say he would look to set criteria for certain towns and areas and potentially lock those down, thus eliminating the need for a national shut down, and added: "We're not talking about locking down the whole country."

In any case, state and local officials -- not the president -- are responsible for most decisions about whether to shutter businesses and close schools and enact other coronavirus-related restrictions.

Biden incorrectly states that Trump hasn’t condemned white supremacists

BIDEN’S CLAIM: Biden was asked by a retired police chief about the “violence taking place in our cities across this country.”

"I've condemned every form of violence, no matter what the source is," Biden said. "No matter what the source is. The president has yet to condemn, as you’ve probably noticed, the far-right and the white supremacists and those guys walking around with the AK-47s and not doing a damn thing about them."

He added, "I'm waiting for the day when he says, 'I condemn all those white supremacists, I condemn all those militia guys as much as I do every other organizational structure.'"

FACT CHECK: Biden is correct that Trump has not condemned white supremacists recently, but Trump has done so in the past.

Two days after violent clashes in Charlottesville, Virginia, in 2017 -- after first equating violence from white supremacists with those protesting -- Trump said, “Racism is evil and those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other hate groups.”

A month later, the president signed a congressional resolution condemning white supremacy.

In 2019, following shootings in El Paso, Texas, and Dayton, Ohio, Trump said, “In one voice, our nation must condemn racism, bigotry and white supremacy. ”

"These sinister ideologies must be defeated. Hate has no place in America. Hatred warps the mind, ravages the heart, and devours the soul,” he added.

Though the president has condemned white supremacy, he has yet to condemn one of his supporters who screamed “white power” during a golf cart parade in Florida, captured in a video he retweeted this year. He created a firestorm by sharing the video and thanking the "great people" of the Florida residential community where the parade took place.

The presidentdeleted the tweethours later. At the time, White House deputy press secretary Judd Deere said in a statement, "President Trump is a big fan of The Villages. He did not hear the one statement made on the video."

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