总统的冠状病毒应对协调员唐纳德·特朗普美国COVID特别工作组的黛博拉·比尔克斯博士在接受美国广播公司新闻采访时表示,当特朗普提出向人们注射消毒剂以治疗病毒的可能性时,她变得“瘫痪”,并透露了她认为旨在保持纽约市游乐场开放的数据是如何导致总统做出这一不明智的跳跃的。
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白宫冠状病毒应对协调员黛博拉·比尔克斯博士与总统交谈
在周二新书发布前,Birx与ABC新闻的首席医疗记者詹妮弗·阿什顿博士进行了交谈,她还表示,她与特朗普团队的其他医生——包括安东尼·福奇——达成了一项协议,如果其中一人被解雇,那么他们都将辞职。
她在《无声入侵:特朗普政府、新冠肺炎和防止下一个疫情的不为人知的故事》一书中写道,从一开始,她就没有准备好应对特朗普白宫的有毒政治氛围。
她说,尽管她是特朗普团队中唯一一个有应对致命疫情病毒的实地经验的人,但她经常被边缘化。
我想让它成为《阴阳魔界》
但许多美国人已经开始将Birx与她在2020年4月23日白宫新闻发布会上未能更有力地纠正特朗普联系起来。
纽约市最近关闭了它的游乐场,根据Birx的说法,一名国土安全部的科学家刚刚向特朗普简要介绍了它是如何出现阳光的让他们安全。
特朗普说:“所以假设我们用巨大的——不管是紫外线还是非常强大的光——击中身体,我想你说过因为测试还没有检查过这一点。”“然后我说,假设你把光带进身体,你可以通过皮肤或其他方式做到这一点,我想你说过你也会测试这一点。”
“我看到消毒剂,一分钟后,一分钟。有没有一种方法可以让我们通过注射或者清洗来达到这个目的?如你所见,它进入肺部,对肺部产生巨大的影响,所以检查一下会很有趣,”总统继续说道。
“我希望能够让父母放心,太阳的自然消毒活性,以及它产生自由基的能力,这些自由基会吃掉这些病毒、细菌和真菌及其细胞膜,这将是有效的,”Birx告诉阿什顿。"他们可以让孩子们到外面的操场上玩耍."
但当Birx说她看到特朗普和这位政府科学家在摄像机前非正式地继续他们的对话时——总统突然公开质疑人类是否可以用消毒剂治疗——她在座位上不安地移动了一下。
“我只是想让它成为‘阴阳魔界’,然后一切都烟消云散,”Birx说。“我的意思是,我只是-我可以看到一切都在那一刻瓦解。”
Birx在周一接受“早安美国”采访时也谈到了那个时刻。
“从很多层面来看,这都是一场悲剧,”她告诉联合主持人乔治·斯特凡诺普洛斯。
“我立即去找了他最高级的工作人员,还有奥利维亚·特罗伊,告诉他必须立即扭转这种局面,”她说;特罗伊是时任副总统迈克·彭斯的顾问。
“第二天早上,总统说这是一个笑话,”Birx说。“但我认为他在那天晚上就清楚地知道这很危险。”
Birx表示,她担心美国人会认为特朗普一直在直接与她通话,而实际上他主要是在与国土安全科学家通话。法宝不过,我曾经问过她:“黛博拉,你听说过吗?热和光,相对于某些病毒,是的,但是相对于这种病毒?”
“不是作为治疗,”她回答。“我的意思是,发烧当然是件好事。当你发烧时,它有助于你的身体做出反应。但不是——我没见过热或(听不清)。”
Birx现在说她后悔没有多说。
“我们花了这么多时间让每个人都认真对待病毒,我们采取了一系列行动,这些行动在那一刻对拯救美国人的生命至关重要,”Birx说。“我可以看到一切都将在那一刻后被揭开
Birx:医生有协议辞职
Birx还在她的书中写道,她如何与特朗普冠状病毒专责小组的其他医生达成协议,如果他们中的一人被调离专责小组,那么他们所有人都将辞职。
她说这些医生包括安东尼·福奇,国家过敏和传染病研究所的主任;疾病控制和预防中心主任罗伯特·雷德菲尔德;和食品药品监督管理局专员斯蒂芬·哈恩。
“我实际上并不担心自己被解雇,因为我身兼二职,我会回到国务院和我的PEPFAR工作,全职工作,”Birx告诉阿什顿,指的是她作为美国政府抗击艾滋病毒/艾滋病项目协调员的角色,这是总统的艾滋病紧急救援计划。
“我非常担心鲍勃和史蒂夫——因为你可以在走廊里听到人们是如何谈论他们的,”她说,指的是雷德菲尔德和哈恩。“因此,我多次去找副总裁,给鲍勃和史蒂夫打电话,因为我担心他们会觉得自己处于危险之中。我向参谋长明确表示,如果鲍勃或史蒂夫出了什么事,我们都会离开。”
当被问及这是否曾经接近发生时,Birx说“有几次我觉得史蒂夫在疫苗开发上特别有压力”。
“我想让他知道,不管发生什么,我都会支持他,”她说。“我认为我们所有人都知道——我们所有人都知道在那里和在战壕里是什么样的。尽管如此,他们在任务结束后还是要回家,回到他们的机构。我还在白宫。
“但是,”她继续说,“他们对白宫发生的事情有足够的了解,知道我们所有人都在某个时候处于危险之中。”
ABC News Exclusive: Dr. Birx speaks to Trump disinfectant moment, says colleagues had resignation pact
The coronavirus response coordinator for PresidentDonald Trump's COVID task force, Dr. Deborah Birx, told ABC News in an exclusive interview that she became "paralyzed" when Trump raised the possibility of injecting disinfectant into people to treat the virus – and revealed how she thinks data meant to keep New York City playgrounds open led the president to make that ill-advised jump.
Birx, who spoke with Dr. Jennifer Ashton, ABC News' chief medical correspondent, before the Tuesday release of her new book, also said she had a pact with other doctors on Trump's team – including Anthony Fauci – that if one of them was fired, then they would all resign.
From the start, she wrote in the book, "Silent Invasion: The Untold Story of the Trump Administration, COVID-19, and Preventing the Next Pandemic Before It’s Too Late," she was unequipped to deal with the toxic political atmosphere that was the Trump White House.
And even though she was the only one on Trump’s team with on-the-ground experience dealing with a deadly pandemic, she was constantly sidelined, she said.
’I wanted it to be “The Twilight Zone”’
But many Americans have come to associate Birx with her failure to more forcefully correct Trump during that White House press briefing on April 23, 2020.
New York City had recently closed its playgrounds and, according to Birx, a Department of Homeland Security scientist had justbriefed Trump on how it appeared sunlightmade them safe.
"So supposing we hit the body with a tremendous -- whether it's ultraviolet or just a very powerful light -- and I think you said that hasn't been checked because of the testing," Trump said. "And then I said, supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way, and I think you said you're going to test that, too."
"I see the disinfectant that knocks it out in a minute, one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that by injection inside or almost a cleaning? As you see, it gets in the lungs, it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it would be interesting to check that," the president continued.
“I wanted to be able to reassure the parents that the natural disinfection activity of the sun, with its ability to produce those free radicals that eat these viruses and bacteria and fungi, their membranes, that that would work,” Birx told Ashton. “And that they could get their children outside to play on the playground.”
But when Birx said she saw Trump and the government scientist informally continue their conversation before cameras – and the president make the leap to publicly question whether humans could be treated with disinfectant – she shifted uncomfortably in her seat.
"I just wanted it to be 'The Twilight Zone' and all go away," Birx said. "I mean, I just-- I could just see everything unraveling in that moment."
Birx also addressed that moment in a Monday interview with "Good Morning America."
"This was a tragedy on many levels," she told co-anchor George Stephanopoulos.
"I immediately went to his most senior staff, and to Olivia Troye, and said this has to be reversed immediately," she said; Troye was an adviser to then-Vice President Mike Pence.
"And by the next morning, the president was saying that was a joke," Birx said. "But I think he knew by that evening, clearly, that this was dangerous."
Birx said she was concerned Americans thought Trump had been speaking directly to her, when in reality he was mainly speaking with the Homeland Security scientist. Trumpdid at one point, though, ask her: "Deborah, have you ever heard of that? The heat and the light, relative to certain viruses, yes, but relative to this virus?"
"Not as a treatment," she replied. "I mean, certainly fever is a good thing. When you have a fever, it helps your body respond. But not as — I’ve not seen heat or (inaudible)."
Birx now says she regretted not saying more.
"We had spent so much time getting everyone to take the virus seriously, and we had these whole series of actions that were critical to saving American lives in that moment," Birx said. "And I could see everything would be unraveled after that moment
Birx: Doctors had pact to resign
Birx also wrote in her book about how she had a pact with other doctors on Trump's coronavirus task force that if one of them was removed from the task force, then all of them would resign from it.
She said the doctors included Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases; Robert Redfield, the director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention; and Stephen Hahn, the commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration.
"I actually wasn't worried about myself being fired because I was dual-hatted, and I would go back to the State Department and my PEPFAR job, full time," Birx told Ashton, referring to her role as the coordinator of the U.S. government's program to combat HIV/AIDS, the President’s Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief.
"I was very worried about Bob and Steve-- because you can hear in the hallways how people were talking about them," she said, referring to Redfield and Hahn. "And so, I went to the vice president multiple times to call Bob and Steve because I was worried about them feeling like they were--at that risk. And I was very clear to the chief of staff that if anything happened to Bob or Steve, we would all leave."
Asked if that ever came close to happening, Birx said "there were times that I felt like Steve particularly was under a lot of pressure" over vaccine development.
"I wanted him to know that I had his back, no matter what," she said. "And I think all of us knew-- all of us knew what it was like to be there and in the trenches. Although, they got to go home after the task force and back to their agencies. I was still in the White House.
"But," she continued, "they had enough understanding about what was happening in the White House to understand that all of us were at risk at one time or another."